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EIL

04-24-2004 14:35:12

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Hey guys!!!! The cummins tool sale is currently in my town for the weekend. I wanted everyones opinion on this, are cummins tools and harbor freight tools about the same quality? I was looking at the big wrenches that they both sell. Cummins advertises a six piece wrench set for $40, harbor freight advertises the same set for $30. The sizes are 1 3/8", 1 1/2", 1 5/8", 1 3/4", 1 7/8", and 2". I know harbor freight's warrenty is like sears, if it breaks, bring it in and you get a new one, but I read the cummins tool warrenty and it states "not warrented for wear and tear" and the other normal misused or abused stuff. Has anyone ever had trouble returning cummins tools? Are they any better than harbor freight? Thanks in advance!!!!!

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G.R. Ronan

05-01-2004 23:10:36

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

I stay as far away from these clowns as possible! I bought A shumacher(sic) battery charger from them that when I went to use it 3 or 4 week's later didn't work at all. Well, they were long gone by that time and not having internet access I didn't know how to contact them so I waited about 6 month's for them to return and they refused to do anything about it. I even had the receipt which did no good. I keep it on the shelf to remind me of who not to do business with!! Do your self A favor and buy your tool's at Sears,Lowes,HD or your local auto parts store. You may pay A little more but you will have them A life time. Remember! No one ever complained about owning the best!!

Good Luck! H.R.

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04-26-2004 07:55:12

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

I don't even bother going to those junk sales anymore, everything I have bought there has crapped out. I even broke a chain I bought at one of those sales.

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fixerupper

04-26-2004 06:52:08

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Many years ago my first tools were Craftsman and they lasted well, even the ratchets were good. Twenty years later the new ratchets from them started turning into junk so I went to SK. When I returned an SK ratchet and they wouldn't raplace it I went back to Craftsman. At least they warranty their junk. I did buy a cheap 3/8 ratchet from walmart, just to use a few times because I needed one with a real small head on a few occasions. I have ended up using it all of the time because it is handy and it has held up very well. I will NEVER buy power tools from Craftsman. I pay the big money and get Milwaukee, Makita or Bosch and I don't have to worry about replacing them for a long tome.Tools are such a peresonal thing aren't they?

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EIL

04-25-2004 19:25:50

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Well, I went to the cummins tools sale and saw a ton of junk hand tools. They had a lot of nice rigid, dewalt, milwaki, and ryobi power tools. They had a set of 3/4" drive sockets and they looked like they sat out in a field for a few months. I went in the store with $45 and walked out with $45. I have seen nicer cheaper stuff at harbor freight. At least harbor freight's sockets are chrome plated. Thanks for all the advice!!!!

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Alan

04-25-2004 18:09:17

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

I keep the Cummins tools or other cheep brands in my tractors and pickups, I dont feel as bad if I loose them or get them stolen as I would the name brand tools I keep in my shop. Most farmers I know do the same thing, we all have been known to do a repair in the field then forget the tool and "plow it under". I have had the cheep stuff break on me when I use them too. I bought a pipe threader at one of those sales and it works great, I am sure if it was used on a regular basis it wouldn't last but it works for me.

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Jerry

04-25-2004 15:59:32

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Having made my living as a bus mechanic for 30 yrs. I can't say about Cummins tools, But I do have some from Harbor Freight, I found that in hand wrenchs look for the ones made in India. they have a better feel and look than the China made. And look better laying beside my Snap-On and Mac tools. I have to agree with Jim, treat them right and they will last. Most my hand tools are 20+ yrs old, except for the new stuff I had to buy for Ethanol, Natural Gas, CNG Bus engines.

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jim

04-25-2004 15:23:07

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Let's see, I have bought about every tool brand under the sun. I have a $100.oo set of mac 3/8" drive sockets, the 10mm broke and I cannot find a Mac tool salesman. So what good is it to buy Mac/Snap On tools if you have to run down a truck to get them fixed. I have bought tools at Cummins, Harbor Freight, Homier, etc. They are designed to do what ever you want if you ise common sense in their use. I use my tools every day and use them hard, had good luck with them. I bought a mini lathe at Homier's tent sale, been a very good little lathe. So I guess most stuff only laste as long as it is used with a little common sense.

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Dave K

04-25-2004 14:50:35

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Well, Sears does not really warrent Craftsman like they used to and most is Chinese now. I bought a craftsman angle grinder from them and it burned out after about 10 or so hours of use. They said too bad, we don't warrent electricl tools anymore. Bought one from Harbor Freight for less than half the cost and have at least 50 60 hours on it and going strong. Most, if not all Harbor Freight is made in China but I have not had any problem with any of their tools. I have electrical, air and just regular hand tools from them and I consider them well worth the price! Used to be good American made tools were the best but find me an American made tool these days!

Dave

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Geo in SD

04-25-2004 20:28:42

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Re: Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to Dave K, 04-25-2004 14:50:35

Don't know about their power tools so much, but 99% of the wrenches in my tool box are Craftsman. Bought a nice 3/8 drive ratchet from Snap-On once, had it a week, busted it. Got a new one, had it a week, busted it too. Got my money back from Snappy, went to Sears, bought a ratchet, have it 5 years now, use it every day. I wear out some sockets every now and then, and all I do is show them to the sales guy and he gives me new ones on the spot. I buy the professional line of wrenches if at all possible. Their new sockets with the big numbers on them [so I can see them easily] are all made here in the good ole USA. I do buy cheapo's to make special wrenches [heat and bend to make fit] I've been pulling wrenches for quite a number of years now, and I can't recall ever breaking a Craftsman wrench, socket, or ratchet.

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bob r

04-25-2004 18:12:23

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Re: Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to Dave K, 04-25-2004 14:50:35

I recently bought a Craftsman 1/2"drill and was surprized to find it was made in China! have bought some cummins tools mostly with good results, but their 1/2" drill didn't last long, which is why I bought the Craftsman,so far so good!

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jdemaris

04-25-2004 14:07:55

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Cummins comes to our town every year. They SUCK!!
I've been a mechancic most of my life and understand the concept of price and quality. But, I've got an awful lot of Snap-On, O.T.C., Bonney, S.K. Wayne and Mack tools that were, and are overpriced, and I've bought a lot of low priced stuff from Harbor Freight - and most of it has held up very well. I've got a lot of hand tools and power tools that are over 20 years old that came from Harbor Freight - mostly the heavier stuff. But Cummins - I've bought several items from them that looked like the same Chinese or Taiwanese stuff that Harbor Freight sells - only to have it break the 1st or 2nd I used it. Instead of spending money at Cummins, you might as well burn it and then p*ss on it - or better yet - send it to me.

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ShepFL

04-25-2004 13:46:21

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Like someone said on here once
"Cheap ain't good and good ain't cheap".

That said Cummins does fill a nitch and some stuff is usable. I would stear clear of the electrical stuff, bought a 4" wheel grinder and it burnt up in first 3 hrs. of use. Next time they came back I just exchanged it for some what not tools.

I shop flea markets, sales, going out business deals etc. My tool set was built when I worked out of it full time to make a living.

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Dave_Id

04-25-2004 13:45:28

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Sure they are guaranteed, but you want a tool that doesn't break, not one that breaks half way thru the job, and you have to run to town to get a replacement..

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Davis In SC

04-24-2004 19:50:39

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

EIL, I still find a lot of great large tools at flea markets, The Snap-On ones sell high, but other quality brands( Williams, Armstrong, etc.) sell at reasonable prices, compared to the new cost.I have been buying tools like this at flea markets for at least 30 years, & feel that they are a much better investment than the cheap tools. It is hard to beat the price on the Chinese 3/4 drive sets, they are OK to get by with..... A whole set for about the price of 1 or 2 sockets..... Regards, Davis

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TimV

04-24-2004 19:28:56

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

EIL: The Cummins show was in town here over the weekend as well--you're not in northern NY, by any chance, are you? I've bought a number of things from them over the years, and have usually thought I got my money's worth. Granted it's not Snap-On, but it's not priced like Snap-On either! I've had to take a couple of things back, and they've always been fair and professional in their dealings with me. For occasional-use tools, I would much rather buy a cheaper tool than I would have a lot of money stuck into something that will only get used a few times a year. For instance, I own a set of their 3/4" sockets with a breaker bar and rachet, and it was $50 well spent. Even a cheap 2" socket is a heckuva lot better than NO 2" socket, particulary when something needs to get fixed NOW, not 2 days later when you can round up a friend's 3/4" set.

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fixerupper

04-24-2004 19:08:07

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

I bought a cummins socket set once and I joked that if the ratchet gives up the ghost I could use it as a hammer because it was so big and heavy. The sockets are as thin as paper and I only use them in applications that require thin sockets.Another thing is your personal safety if a cheap wrench breaks when you are pulling hard on it. Yesterday I was torqueing the head on a 8.3 cummins (engine) on the top of a combine. The specs were 201 lb/ft plus 1/4 turn. When I was pulling my guts out on a breaker bar trying to get the quarter turn I thought to myself "if this thing breaks I'm going to go flying right off the top of this thing and who knows what I'm gonna break if I fly six feet horizontally and ten feet vertically before I hit the ground".

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RUSS

04-25-2004 17:22:54

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Re: Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to fixerupper, 04-24-2004 19:08:07

201 FT-LBS PLUS 1/4 TURN; IS THAT LIKE TURN TILL IT BREAKS THEN BACK OFF A LITTLE?

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EIL

04-24-2004 18:30:50

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Thanks for the advice. Since I will be turning wrenches for a living on heavy equipment, I will pass up the "oppertunity" on those wrenches. I will probably be going tomorrow, and since my mom is going to toss in a few bucks for me, is there anything that ya'll would see worth buying over there? Almost everything I see in their sale papers looks like junk. I guess it doesn't hurt to look. I already have all my sockets and other basic hand tools.

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KEG

04-24-2004 17:58:58

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Cummins just opened a store near me in St. Louis. I compared products and prices to Harbor Freight and it appears the products are nearly the same, but I believe the Harbor Freight prices are lower.

Like other have said, they both sell junk, but I have gotten good mileage out of some things. Others items I have written off as a waste of money. But in the long run, since I do not use my tools everyday, it has been worth it.

KEG

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Jerry L /az

04-24-2004 17:22:05

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Read the small print on sear's stuff and craftsman tools it states not for industrial use. For home work shop only !!!

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George

04-24-2004 19:36:13

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Re: Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to Jerry L /az, 04-24-2004 17:22:05

Everytime I have returned a broken socket, ratchet, whatever, to Sears, they replaced it no questions asked. (I'd hate to have to lie and tell them that I didn't use a four foot torque amplifier on a 1/2" drive socket.) This only works on wrenches -- I had problems with a new Sears pneumatic chisel and they wouldn't do anything. (I still keep it around in its box just to remind not to buy anything but wrenches at Sears.)

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Ray

04-24-2004 16:44:13

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Both are junk,don't waste your money,spend the
extra money for good tools in the long run there
cheaper.

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Pete - IN

04-24-2004 16:38:52

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Don't buy anything electrical from Cummins. I bought a bench grinder from them. Over a period of time I used it about 3 hours until the motor quit. Next time they were in town I took it back. They said it wasn't their brand.

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Gary in TX

04-24-2004 17:59:14

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Re: Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to Pete - IN, 04-24-2004 16:38:52

I bought a Ryobi chop saw 14" from them, made 4 or 5 cuts, sparks out the motor vent and end and that was it. Took it back to the next sale they had here in town, traded it for another, made 2 cuts and it fried. Went and bought me a brand new Dewalt adn its a hoss!!!!! I doubt I'll do much(if any) business at any of these tool sales again. I guess some stuff is ok but most is cheapo stuff.

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Gordon in IN

04-24-2004 16:08:57

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

Both of the companies you mentioned specilize in "low cost", "imported" (mostly Chinese), tools best suited for "occasional" use. I agree with the statement that buying the large, heavy, massive, type of tools seem to give better service. Examples: I purchased a set of 1/2 inch Impact Sockets, split a couple, got replacements, then split some more. I then got some "Good" (MAC, Proto, Snap On, Bluepoint, etc,) Impact sockets, at a Yard Sale, in the sizes that I had split (and use most often). I still use the sockets from the imported set for occasional use. On the positive side: I purchased a set of (heavy) Coil Spring Compressors that I have used only twice, they worked just fine both times. I may never have to use them again. Perhaps only once or twice ever again. The price was a very small fraction of the price of a Good Professional Set and are all I will ever need. A very large sledge hammer which I almost never use, but, when I really need it, it sure is handy to move or break something where nothing else will work. Also, I purchased a set of very large combination wrenches, and have used them "occasionally" (a very few times) over many years. (I just do not do a "LOT" of work with equipment that has a lot of very large bolts and nuts.) They do come in handy for taking the blades and hub off of a Brush Hog and the rear axle nuts off of an antique tractor. Thankfully, I had to do these jobs only "rarely", and not likely often again since I am now retired. If I was purchasing tools to use every day, all day long, to work with to earn my pay, where "time was money", I would always get the "Best" or at least "Very Good" Professional Tools. Breaking a tool while trying to get a job completed can "cost" a lot of time (even if only to get another tool), a lot of money in the cost of the tool and lost time, and may result in injury, pain, medical expenses and additional lost time from work. I think that in some cases the tools that these two companies sell are the same, or made by the same (Chinese) company, or are very similar. I like the Homier Tool "Tools" and warranty better. I think that Homier prices are usually lower. (just my opinion, I have been wrong before.) Gordon in IN

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04-24-2004 14:55:26

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Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to EIL, 04-24-2004 14:35:12

You're buying junk and you know it. Now that I've said that, I buy some too..stuff that's made of big chunks of steel and will see little use and I hope it'll hold up. I won't buy motors nor stuff that needs precision because I'd rather pay the extra for quality...I did buy some sockets for the air hammer and they seem to hold up but some cheap adjustable wrenches broke...Be cautious and understand that it's mostly junk for the weekender. Oh .. got some dead blow hammers and they work ok...how wrong can anyone make a dead blow?

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04-26-2004 10:27:14

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Re: Re: CUMMINS TOOL SALE???? in reply to bo, 04-24-2004 14:55:26

Buying tools is like buying paint, you get what you pay for. Would you use rattle can paint on your car or truck?

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