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plumhigh75

09-21-2000 14:13:26




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For those of you that have been supportive of the Natick MA Snap On strike, thank you. I just wanted to update you on the progress -- strike vote 8/25, first negotiation 9/19, next negotiation 10/17 as the lead company negotiator has to go to the Olympics and to Europe for vacation. Nice to know the vacation of one person is more important to Snap On than negotiating with the Union. Someday the children of these employees will be tool buyers and guess what tool they won't be buying. So spread the word -- Snap On is still on strike -- DAY 27 and counting.

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Dick

09-24-2000 06:38:42




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 Re: Snap On in reply to plumhigh75, 09-21-2000 14:13:26  
I won't buy Snap-On peroid. I have always felt their products were way over priced. Steel can be bought for way less than $1 per pound, very low priced. Labor is expensive, as are management
salaries and overhead. And the salesmen have to pay for their high buck rolling tool shops on wheels, oh, and their uniforms too. (But Snap-On salesmen sell on terms, so it makes it easy for the average mechanic to buy on credit.) It all
adds up to an expensive operation that the customer has to pay for.

Snap-On has created marketing hype that sells tools. You can get equal quality with other brands. I buy whatever works for me and it isn't Snap-On

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Philip Maria

09-22-2000 14:46:13




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 Re: Snap On in reply to plumhigh75, 09-21-2000 14:13:26  
I have no particular sympathy for the company, but I hope Snap-On wins. Reason: The unions fight to organize plants, but they continue to support traitors like Gore and Clinton. These crooks have been purposely sending everyone's jobs to enemy nations like Red China and India and the unions continue their support no matter what. It does no good to organize a plant if it is moved to a 3rd world country. The union bigshots are not stupid-they know this to. The only logical conclusion is that these people have sold out and are as crooked as the politicians. Most (but not all!) union members unfortunately follow the leader's orders without thinking and end up supporting the very people who are selling them out. If you would like to view Gore's vision of the future America, visit Youngstown, OH. I apologize for the length of this response (tractor subjects are more enjoyable!) but I have seen too many tire plants and blast furnaces demolished just so that the once-proud USA can be forced to kow-tow to our future masters overseas.

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JJ

09-24-2000 19:16:11




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 Re: Re: Snap On in reply to Philip Maria, 09-22-2000 14:46:13  
AMEN



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ton up

09-22-2000 14:06:51




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 Re: Snap On in reply to plumhigh75, 09-21-2000 14:13:26  
any one want to buy snapnon kit lincs uk ?



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T_Bone

09-22-2000 13:30:41




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 Re: Snap On in reply to plumhigh75, 09-21-2000 14:13:26  
Well guys I think we all share a hand in this problem wheather we're Union or not. How? Because we all have bought products that are not made in the USA, and it doesn't matter if it was produced by a Union shop or a non-Union shop.

Yes I'm a Union worker or was when working, and I would catch he** from other Union workers when I bought products that were made in the USA but not Union. I tried to explain that it was buy non-Union or buy from another country. To me our money has to stay in the USA for products made in the USA to keep any job base for Americans. Take poster "paul" for an example, I would buy his beans and corn and pay a higher price just because paul was here in the USA and would enjoy every bite. Alot of people now days just don't care where there food or other products are from. Paul has to make sure his harvest workers are "clean" when workers harvest his crops. Do other country's require this cleaness? It's been proven that they don't! Clean = washing hands after using the restroom amoung other things!

Until till American people are more concerned about where they buy there products, I feel there's not going to be a turn in direction and we will continue to loose jobs and Companys. It's the American people that can make a difference if they just buy products made in the USA.

T_Bone

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paul

09-23-2000 19:35:25




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 Re: Re: Snap On in reply to T_Bone, 09-22-2000 13:30:41  
I appreciate the points of you message, and many times I feel as you do. But I think we come from vastly different idologies. :)

I have, of course, no employees, and want it that way. I do my own work. I prefer doing on my own, with my own. I know I am kidding myself, but I prefer to be very independent - of govt, unions, employees, bosses...

I guess the concept of becoming unionized - all joining together & thinking/working the same way - just rubs me the wrong way. I can't help that. I would just be miserable that way. I'm not against many of the goals of unions, but the concept of yet another layer of bosses over my head telling me what to do.

It just bugs me that this guy comes around & tries to tell me what tools to buy, for example. That is MY business. Rubs me the wrong way.

I think you will find a higher percent of farmers & ranchers feel like I do.

And, of course, beans & corn don't have many rules, as they are feed & industrial commodities. Truck farms have the rules you speak of. :)

It does not help that unions generally support a political party that wants to eliminate my way of life. As Gore said, it's about time we get rid of agriculture in the USA and let the third world feed us..... Jimmy Carter didn't do me any favors with his grain embargos, and he was supposed to be a farmer.

Just my narrow opinion of my world, no flames or bad feelings towards you.

--->Paul

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T_Bone

09-23-2000 20:39:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Snap On in reply to paul, 09-23-2000 19:35:25  
Hi Paul, I really do understand where your coming from as I think we all want to be that way, FREE. Our current system just won't let that happen.

I don't know who started " I want to be led around by the nose" but I sure wish they'd kept that idea to themselfs. I for one do not need someone telling me what to do or how to do it. The reason I joined the labor Union as I got tired of working for peanuts. Without joining hands with other workers It was very difficult to get a decent wage for a hard days work. I think some farmers did the same by forming the Co-op?

I also wanted to farm at one time but I never could make it pay on paper and sure didn't figure it'd work in real life if it didn't work on paper!

You'll love this one. Here in Arizona there talking about making the farmers close to the major cities water the fields before they plow to keep air polution down in the cities. They say dust is a major contributer but not there 50 million cars and trucks running around. I can't believe that there close to getting that one in! They have went as far as paving over 2000 miles of dirt roads with some only having one family living at the end of the raod. All construction projects now have to water before they can work the soil and it carry's a big fine when they catch them not watering and they got 50 people riding around just to spot the offenders.

As far as Unions wanting to support a party thats hurts you, I never seen them intentionlly single out farmers nor say anything bad about farming. They do want whats best for them and yes it rolls over too harming someone else just as any decision does and if it got you, I'm sorry.

I personally was born 200yrs to late in life. I still think with the way our system is now we're destroying the ecology faster than it can repair it self and our children will suffer greatly from it. I do believe our forfathers had a greater love for the land than we do and would be appalled at what we have done. People are going to awaken one day and realize that all life is "family love" and food, shelter and clothing is all that is required to enjoy it.

T_Bone

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paul

09-24-2000 19:35:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Snap On in reply to T_Bone, 09-23-2000 20:39:39  
For what it's worth, the coops lost me when they started building hog barn units. They can't buy my corn, & finance hog operations, make the feed, and claim to represent my corn interests. I do business with several coops, but they are just another business.

Hey, your message sounds good. :) Have a good one,

--->Paul



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Frank

09-23-2000 20:20:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Snap On in reply to paul, 09-23-2000 19:35:25  
Right Paul. If you want something screwed up just let the government get involved in it.



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Dick

09-25-2000 19:54:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Snap On in reply to Frank, 09-23-2000 20:20:47  
There is but one way to fix a government, and election day is not far away. Look whose been in power the past 8 years and do soething about it.
Government is so huge, we'll probably never see a politician with guts enough to trim it back to what it was before the JFK/LBJ years. Or should that be before the FDR years?



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chris

09-21-2000 19:47:59




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 Re: Snap On in reply to plumhigh75, 09-21-2000 14:13:26  
if you quit smoken dope and get down from being plum high. you'll go back to work and screw the union before your job goes way south., or to elizabethton tn non union plant. they keep voting the crooks out and have better bennies than the johnson city plant 10 miles away. by the way them steelworker just lost two more plant arround here. if unions want to help the american people they'll go to mexico and get the h### ot of here. oh i forgot that might mean you get to keep a little more mony and the union exc's wouldn't get that six figure welfare check from you and your buddies. hold out there mexico need more jobs. just thank the unions and clinton for nafta very time another plant goes south.

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Larry Garbarek

09-22-2000 06:48:20




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 Re: Re: Snap On in reply to chris, 09-21-2000 19:47:59  
Thank you President Clinton and all others who made NAFTA a reality.

The facts are that we are losing jobs to countries where labor is cheaper.

The facts also are that the for every Dollar we buy of Mexican products, the Mexicans buy a Dollar worth of goods and services from us. Unfortunately we lose some low paying jobs but we at least sell them something in return.

The alternative is to buy something from Asia. 100% of the Asian countries sell us more goods and services than we sell to them. Thus, for example, we buy $1 from China and they buy about 20 cents from us. A loss of 80%.

So, thanks for NAFTA as we get 100% of what we spend on imports back from Canada and Mexico rather than losing up to 80% of our Dollar on Asian imports.

So tell the unions and other to get the story straight before making uninformed statements! The overall picture with NAFTA isn't perfect but it is far better than the alternatives.

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T_Bone

09-21-2000 21:23:55




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 Re: Re: Snap On in reply to chris, 09-21-2000 19:47:59  
Chis boy, you nee to go back a read your history books. If it wasn't for the Unions you non-union scabs wouldn't be making the money you are now. It's not the Unions that break Companys, it's the 5 million and 200 million they pay CEO's for settin on there arss for very poor mangement. History isn't wrong. You are!!!

T_Bone



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paul

09-21-2000 19:33:46




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 Re: Snap On in reply to plumhigh75, 09-21-2000 14:13:26  
Don't know anything about it. My corn is worth $1.33 a bushel, beans are $4.28 - that's down about 40% from 5 year rolling averages.

So, I couldn't afford your product no matter who wins.

We all have an axe to grind, plumhigh do you care any more about my situation than I care about yours?

--->Paul



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plumhigh

09-27-2000 13:16:50




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 Re: Re: Snap On in reply to paul, 09-21-2000 19:33:46  
Actually, I do care about your problems too. The independent farmer is in a very precarious position. If your product (beans) is selling for $4.28/bushel, then why is the grocer selling them for $1.50/pound? There surely is something wrong with that equation. Unfortunately, I don't have a clue how to solve it. But if you have any ideas or issues you'd like support for, please post them and I'll be glad to help your cause.

For all of you that assume that I'm a union member, I'm not. And plumhigh has nothing to do with drug use.

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greg

09-22-2000 07:49:00




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 Re: Re: Snap On in reply to paul, 09-21-2000 19:33:46  
AMEN!!!!!



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big fred

09-21-2000 18:33:56




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 Re: Snap On in reply to plumhigh75, 09-21-2000 14:13:26  
We just had a 40 day strike earlier this year. Just remember, you don't have to hold out forever, just one day longer than the company. Good luck.



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Independent Shop owner

09-21-2000 17:08:08




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 Re: Snap On in reply to plumhigh75, 09-21-2000 14:13:26  
Hope Snap on wins.



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