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walt

04-21-2004 14:53:45




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Switching out my heat pumps. Been recommended to have "strip heat". Noticed the units I'm getting, "strip heat" is a "field installed" option. What exactly is involved doing that?




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Craig

04-22-2004 11:31:28




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 Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to walt, 04-21-2004 14:53:45  
I live a few minutes from you and have the HP with coils (strips) split unit setup so here's my 2 cents. In 3 years I have never had the emergency heat on. If your home is fairly well insulated you wont need them often in this climate. I have been into a few AC systems here in TN and all had the strips.

Have been told by an hvac guy here to watch that they dont hook the thermostat up such that the emergency heat comes on every time the regular heat does. He claims the TVA encourages this to make up for the efficiency loans and rebates they do. It's easy to check for if you look at the diagram in the cover of the unit it will usually show the correct hookup.

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Ron from IL

04-22-2004 06:46:36




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 Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to walt, 04-21-2004 14:53:45  
walt,

Here's something most people don't know about, and HVAC installers seem reluctant to bring up (maybe they don't know about it, either). You DO NOT have to use electric resistance heat for your supplimental heat source! You can add a "fossil fuel kit" (basically just another thermostat) and use your EXISTING heat source for supplimental heat (LP, nat. gas, etc.). Electrical resistance heat is THE MOST EXPENSIVE way to heat in most areas, unless your power company cuts you a mother of a deal on cost per KWH. Check into it before you let them talk you into electrical resistance back-up heat.

Ron

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Gene Davis (Ga.)

04-23-2004 18:34:15




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 Re: Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to Ron from IL, 04-22-2004 06:46:36  
Gas costs more than electric in central Ga.



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Greywolf

04-23-2004 04:34:52




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 Re: Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to Ron from IL, 04-22-2004 06:46:36  
Mine is an air to air HP in So MN.

My system is a 3 stage setup. HP - 5KW Strip - #2 oil burner FA furnace. 7.1 cent/KW electric cost but the HP gets a 3.7 cent/KW credit from that for being "switchable" from the elec company. 1800 sf two story, bad windows, little insulation, $100 heats the house for 6 months in a normal year. Jan and Feb are the killer months.

A friend has the geo therm looped, with a LP furnace back up, furnace fires up once a year when he manually kicks it in at the beginning of the year to check it out.

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T_Bone

04-21-2004 17:36:22




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 Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to walt, 04-21-2004 14:53:45  
Hi Walt,

If you live in a cold climnate then a HP efficency is greatly reduced. The ideal HP temp is 45�. So when temps fall towards 0� to 10� then your HP isn't going to satisfy heating demand so you add electric strip heating elements, relays and two stage thermostat.

With a two stage thermostat, the first stage calls for heat from the HP. When the HP can not satisfiy the heating demand then the thermostat calls for stage two, the strip heaters.

As the room demad is nearly satisfied , stage two shuts off, then stage one finishs the heating demand then shuts off.

The strip heaters work just like a all electric furances, very expensive. Natural gas is still the cheapest commericaly supplied heating fuel with HP next cheapest in the correct climante.

Do a search on this fourm for, ground source HP, as those are alot more efficent for cold climnates.

T_Bone

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Ben in KY

04-21-2004 20:06:01




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 Re: Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to T_Bone, 04-21-2004 17:36:22  
Tbone,
the heat strips are slao used when in heating mode the heat pump goes into defrost mode, which is turn off outside fan, switch to AC mode !! and turn on the heat strips to warm the cooled air back up before it blows out your duct. Defrost mode allows the outside coils to heat up enough to melt off accumulated ice. Heat strips are also your emergency heat if the heatpump protion of your system goes belly up.

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walt

04-22-2004 04:37:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to Ben in KY, 04-21-2004 20:06:01  
Ben, thanks. I understand the emergency heat aspect. This is a complete unit inside the home. No split system. It was explained to me that the Geo heat pump never goes into a defrost cycle. Is this true? And, can the strip heat be added later if needed? Thanks



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Ben in KY

04-22-2004 05:31:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to walt, 04-22-2004 04:37:18  
Yes, you are correct a geo type of heat pump does not go into defrost.



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walt

04-22-2004 10:11:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to Ben in KY, 04-22-2004 05:31:38  
Where in Ky are you? I may need you. If your available. I'm in nw TN. Near Ft. Campbell.



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T_Bone

04-22-2004 15:02:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to walt, 04-22-2004 10:11:11  
Hi walt,

Yes heating elements and related componets can be added at any time although more expensive that mfg supplied units.

On my first post I stated 45� is the most efficent tempature for a HP. Since ground temperature doesn't change but a couple degrees over a year at 8ft down (52� average) then a correctly sized/installed HP for your building demand would not need any additonal heating sources.

T_Bone

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walt

04-21-2004 18:15:04




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 Re: Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to T_Bone, 04-21-2004 17:36:22  
Thanks, I am going with ground source/Geothermal closed loop. Extended temps, of entering water temp of 30-110. Just not sure if I need the strips. Can they be added anytime? Or do they need to be added when the unit is installed?



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Jim in N M

04-21-2004 17:24:35




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 Re: Any HVAC experts Here? in reply to walt, 04-21-2004 14:53:45  
Walt ,it's not a big deal to field install them, I believe the reason is you can choose differant size or capasity heat strips.Depending where your at I'd choose a higher value now because they don't take back "Used" one's.. JMT--JL



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