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Robert J Spence

09-19-2000 09:33:13




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Can lincoln 11018mr be used as a direct replacement for 7018mr?
The 11018 seems to have better freeze quality when using overhead etc.




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Fred OH

09-22-2000 10:19:45




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Robert J Spence, 09-19-2000 09:33:13  
Robert, It'd kinda be like substituting tractor tires for your car. You're probably welding on structural steel and hot rolled steel (and cold rolled steel) run in the tensile strength range of 65000 to 70000 pounds per square inch. You wouldn't want to use 110000 pound tensile strength rod there. Too much of a mismatch! Try welding on an old plowshare with it. Now take your chipping hammer and chip it off real good. Now look at your chipping hammer. Took the edge off of it didn't you. It'll get harder than chinese rithmatic. Robert, you need to get you a good welding book and read up on the do's and don'ts of welding and abide by it. That 7018 will run overhead beads as well as any of them. To confirm that, go find where they're building a bridge and look at the welds and look at the rod they use, it's 7018. 8018 or 9018 is used on some truck frames and the only thing I use 11018 for is for building up shear blades for pinching heavy iron in two. Kinda like what the chef said when the rat fell in the stew, sorry about your luck. L8R----Fred OH

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Steve U.S. Alloys

09-20-2000 06:25:48




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Robert J Spence, 09-19-2000 09:33:13  
Hello Robert,
You must be careful of too much tensile strength in certain applications. For example, sometimes a piece of equipment is designed in such a way that a given weld on one part is allowed to fail under stress in order to prevent catastrophic failure of a more expensive part. One application that comes to mind is the welding of bit lugs to the drum on a continous miner. If the bit strikes an object that is hard enough or solid enough to break something, it is better that the bit lug break off than to tear a piece from the drum. Sometimes lesser strength bolts are used to meet the same end.

Another consideration with regard to excessive tensile strength is the creation of high residual stresses in the weld area that can lead to lower ductility and cracking in the heat affected zone of the weldment commonly referred to as the HAZ. In other words, the desired mechanical properties of the deposited weld metal and the mechanical properties of the parent metal should be taken into consideration when choosing the proper consumables.
Steve

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Steve from Tn

09-19-2000 14:45:07




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Robert J Spence, 09-19-2000 09:33:13  
I don't know about 11018. Steve U.S.Alloy recently sent me some of their 821's. I thought it was a very good rod for overhead welding. If you email me, I will sent you the phone no. for ordering. The 821 is a quick-freeze rod. I have no idea about the cost. I have not ordered any from them yet. The way my crops look, I'm not ordering anything from anyone right now.



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T_Bone

09-19-2000 14:00:24




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Robert J Spence, 09-19-2000 09:33:13  
Hi Robert, I have found overhead welding to be just like flat welding, it needs to be hot and the rod needs to be held at a very short arc-length or you get peppered with dingle berries. This wants to make you pull even futher away causing even more dingle berries.

The first two numbers in any rod numbers is the tensil strength. 7018 is the tensile strength, as in 70 = 70,000psi, so 11018 would be 110,000psi tensil strength.

The next number is the postion the rod is rated for. 1= all postions, 2= flat & horzontial, 3 = flat only

The last number is the rod coating type, with 8 being low hydrogen.

I found the best 7018 was Chemtron. The second best was Hobart but not the quick start 7018 (has a black tip). I never have liked Horbart welding machines or there welding rods. The worst I found was the Lincoln welding rods in 7018.

T_Bone

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Dick

09-24-2000 07:03:51




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 Re: Re: Welding question in reply to T_Bone, 09-19-2000 14:00:24  
I have to agree, Esab/Alloy Rods (once Chemtron/Alloy Rods) 7018 used with a good DC power source is the best for overhead welding. A short arc must be maintained. I've never cared for Lincoln low hydrogen electrodes.

And I shy away from the independent electrode producers because they have many electrodes that don't conform to any AWS specs. And when pressured all you get are gray answers. If you weld something you want to know what you are getting, what it will do, etc, etc. If it doesn't conform to an AWS welding electrode specification you don't know. I want to sleep well so I buy to AWS spec.

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