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DOK

03-31-2004 10:59:00




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What is the difference between a 43 and 70 chain? Also, is 3/8" chain heavy enough for hauling tractors under 5500 lbs? Is it legal to haul using straps? Thanks for all the help.




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kyhayman

03-31-2004 16:04:12




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 Re: Chain Grade in reply to DOK, 03-31-2004 10:59:00  
There is more misinformation on hauling on here than any other place in the world except maybe the local coffee shop. You'll also get some good advice, and some from the transportation 'Nazis' (who if you dont follow there particular view of the world will flame you until the cows come home.

There are 2 different considerations: 1. Federal Motor Carrier Regulations 2. State laws which may be more stringient in the state you travel through.

The OFFICIAL WORD (not mine) from USDOT is available at dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf1a/189686_web.pdf.

Table 393.108 states that you can even use grade 30 coil chain (manila rope, web straps, or lots of other stuff) provided it meets the size and chain number for what you are hauling. Paragraph 393.130 tells you how any piece of equipment over 10K must be secured and paragraphs 393.100 and .114 tell you what is required for under 10K.

I got this link off here. Printed it, highlighted what I needed, and keep a copy in the cab of my truck.

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Indydirtfarmer

04-01-2004 14:12:35




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 Re: Re: Chain Grade in reply to kyhayman, 03-31-2004 16:04:12  
And just to add fuel to the flames, those transportation Nazi's don't always agree on what the "proper course of action" is. I have spent time lately, "quizzing" a couple Kentucky, and one Indiana vehicle enforcement officers on the "chain issue", and the D.O.T. requirements. Guess what? I got three completely different answers. And not one of the three are even close to what I'm reading in the D.O.T. "laws". With all the "carved in stone" rules being open for individual interpretation, you need to go "over-kill" with everything. Extra chains, a margin of error on GVW tagging of truck/trailer, have a CDL, and proceed as if you're a full-time trucker, even for the occasional hauler. Inspectors have to "justify" their exsistance. If they don't find something wrong with most trucks they stop, there won't be a need for their services. SO..... ...They find fault even when there is none. Know the laws. Have an attorney. Go prepared. John

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Mike Schotte

03-31-2004 16:44:17




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 Re: Re: Chain Grade in reply to kyhayman, 03-31-2004 16:04:12  
I tried your web link- it was just a one page document that said "Leave the age 60 rule in place."

I'd be interested in the info you mentioned if you have a working link.

Regards, -Schotte



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kyhayman

03-31-2004 16:56:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Chain Grade in reply to Mike Schotte, 03-31-2004 16:44:17  
Sorry about that. I'll try again. This is a copy from an open window of the site. I tried to type before (I always have to do things the hard way).

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf1a/189683_web.pdf



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Mark

03-31-2004 15:41:32




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 Re: Chain Grade in reply to DOK, 03-31-2004 10:59:00  
To pass a DOT inspection you need grade 70 chain or stronger,with enough capacity to hold what ever you are tieing down.Straps can be used for crates,boxes,loose cargo,but not for securing anything on wheels.



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old

03-31-2004 13:03:07




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 Re: Chain Grade in reply to DOK, 03-31-2004 10:59:00  
Some states its legal to use straps and others its not. I always use chains, as far as 3/8 being strong enough I use it for hauling dump trucks 20,000lbs it 3/8 high test chain 20 foot with hooks cost me about $75 5 years ago.



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CASE4ME

03-31-2004 13:31:38




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 Re: Re: Chain Grade in reply to old, 03-31-2004 13:03:07  
GRADE 40 3/8 CHAIN IS RATED FOR 5500
GRADE 70 3/8 CHAIN IS RATED FOR 6500
GRADE 40 5/16 CHAIN IS RATED FOR 4500
GRADE 70 5/16 CHAIN IS RATED FOR 5500
As far as the straps go the biggest concern I have is make sure you prevent any damage occuring to the strap ie. sharp points on tractor.
Hope that helps



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jeff

03-31-2004 23:20:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Chain Grade in reply to CASE4ME, 03-31-2004 13:31:38  
Something I saw about two years ago on the hiway in South Jersey. On rt73 was a short wheel base heavy duty dump truck with it's butt way up in the air. For a split second you wonder "What the he--" then you see the rest. There on it's side was a two axel trailer with a Case backhoe chained to the trailer pretty as you please. They pulled it back over with the tractor still hooked on! Good chains huh? Jeff

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Chris

04-02-2004 06:16:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Chain Grade in reply to jeff, 03-31-2004 23:20:47  
Someone had it chained down right. Thats what it is suposed to do.



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