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al

03-29-2004 16:59:12




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I have read most of the 380 articles on pressure washers in the archive. Kratcher has a couple of bad comments. The OHV Honda gas driven motor is most popular. I 'm however only interested in the 110 volt electric type. I checked out a brand by Simonize they have an electric line of 1400,1500 & 1650 psi at about 1.5 gpm. All the models have a 13 amp motor

Locally the store that services most of the brands is a tool supply place. He services several brands from the different larger home Depot type hardware/building supply stores Walmart, etc.. In his own store he sells Kratcher.He said they are the worlds largest and that he went to this place in Germany 4 yrs ago.
The information he gave as that there were three levels of pressure washers. Cheapest lighter home duty use was Aluminum mostly, a middle value type mixture of aluminum and brass, and industrial type that was mostly brass. You get what you pay for- don't expect a heavy usage aluminum type .He also said that parts for Kratcher was easily available as compared to some brands that took all summer to get.
The other thing we talked about was the diference in psi. and we agreed that there was a lot of marketiong hype. A 120 volt machine probably has a base of 1300psi and 2 gpm. A 220 volt machine would increase psi a lot and if you needed more the choice would then be gas. I have limited amount of use for a pressure washer so would plan/hope to buy the middle value type. Kratcher interests me because of parts availability. I would appreciate any advise especially on Kratcher.

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James Brown

12-15-2004 08:28:10




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 Re: pressure washer in reply to al, 03-29-2004 16:59:12  
Has anyone ever tried the Small Simonize S1800 unit? claims to be 1800 psi. I am looking for a small one for around the house to clean the car and camper.



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john yellets

05-16-2004 09:11:35




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 Re: pressure washer in reply to al, 03-29-2004 16:59:12  
I have a kratcher press. washer and may need a pump I have no pressure could you send us some in fo. mod.3300,serl.033893,1650psi,2.0gpm thanks jd yellets



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Leroy

03-30-2004 05:06:50




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 Re: pressure washer in reply to al, 03-29-2004 16:59:12  
I will have to dissagree with most of the posters, have had a 750 # , 110 volt electric bought used over 20 years ago, do not even know the make. It is good for all general machinery cleaning if proper maintainence has been done, also it has enough power to blow off electric wires, I would not want more preasure for general cleaning, it might take a little longer to get the job done but will not do the damage that a high pressure one can do, now slab cleaning or mud in tracks of a buldozer would be a different story, those 2500# models could be strong enough to bend up the small parts on small engines

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Robert in W. Mi

03-30-2004 15:14:30




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 Re: Re: pressure washer in reply to Leroy, 03-30-2004 05:06:50  
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I have a gas powered pressure washer, and i think it's higher GPM that does the job better than the PSI..

For cleaning the tracks on my dozer, "nothing" works better than a good stream of water, All a pressure washer does it get the mud all over everything "includeing" the guy doing the job!!!

It's kinda nice to have a good helper too!! :>)

Robert

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JD-Tractor

03-29-2004 18:06:28




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 Re: pressure washer in reply to al, 03-29-2004 16:59:12  
Have a wap model 40 very good and inexpensive ,have had it for 6 or 7 years ,have used it to remove paint from the side of garages worked so well you could start painting as soon as the wood dried.



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Charles (in GA)

03-29-2004 17:52:09




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 Re: pressure washer in reply to al, 03-29-2004 16:59:12  
I have a gas Karcher. Bought it in 1999. I had borrowed an 1800 psi karcher (vertical shaft, "handtruck" style frame) to clean a new slab after a metal building was put up (60x60, 3600 sq/ft), needed to get the ground in red GA clay out of the slab before sealing it. The 1800 psi was killing me, if you backed away from the work enough to get a decent sized fan spray, it didn't clean, get close enough to clean and it seemed I was cleaning a square inch at a time. So I went out and bought a Karcher of my own. I bought a 2500 psi, 6.5 hp Briggs powered one. Horizontal shaft, pneumatic tires, nice unit. I used it alot cleaning the slab, and off and on since them, cleaning the concrete outside the building (its an aircraft hangar) and tractors, etc. I'm confortable with the 2500 psi, but more would be nice, less is a waste of money in my opinion.

I haven't had a minutes problem until this year. I went to turn on the garden hose after I hooked it up and a brass plug blew out of the end. I called Karcher, they don't provide the pump parts themselves but refered me to R J Bowers-Karcher, Rockford, Ill. This company also operates as H-CPE Consumer Karcher Parts. The address for both is 2003 Harrison, Ave, Rockford, IL 01104. The phone is 800-383-6584.

I'm not sure the name of the man I talked with, but his initials are BCP according to the invoice, and he was very talkitive and informative. He told me I had a unit with an "AR" pump, and said it was a very good unit, claimed to have the same model at home. Anyhow, he said the brass plug issue was the only problem with the unit and I could expect to replace it ocassionally (it corroded and fractured and broke and blew out, easy to replace)

We talked for quite a while and what he told me is that the new consumer model Karcher units like you find at Menards/Lowes/HomeDepot/Sams etc. are now a cheaply built unit with few if any replaceable parts in the pump. He said the one I had was an excellent unit that could be easily rebuilt and he could get me every part for the pump if I needed. My pump is Italian made Aluminum/Brass, by the way.

What he told me was that if I needed to replace it now, I would have to buy the bottom of the line Commerical unit that Karcher sells to equal what I have (I bought mine at Home Depot in '99).

If you want the straight skinny, call this 800 number and ask to speak to the parts guy. We must have talked for 15 mins on his dime!

Charles

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Ken in Pa.

03-29-2004 17:28:55




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 Re: pressure washer in reply to al, 03-29-2004 16:59:12  
Al Im interested in the same kind of washer you are (110 volt) so thanks for the information on Kratcher. How can I tell which one is the "middle value" one though? Thanks ahead of time Ken



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Tim

03-29-2004 17:27:36




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 Re: pressure washer in reply to al, 03-29-2004 16:59:12  
Hi AL
I've used a number of pressure washers both at home and work. I've tried 110 volt, 220volt and lots of gas versions. PSI is only one factor. Also look at gallons per minute at a given pressure. My findings were that the cheaper 110-volt models that put out 1500psi or so at low gallons per minute are all but useless. I could clean as well or better with a spray nozzle on a garden hose. Not only that but I tried several different brands and found the quality extremely poor. I had trouble with every one right from the get go (including Karcher). Pumps and wands were both constant trouble areas. I think I had about 5 of these cheap things within a couple years. Seldom did I use one that something didn�t go wrong. These were units that sold for $350 or less.
I have used several gas models of various brands that put out 1500-2000 PSI at around 2.5 GPM and had fairly good luck with them. I would consider something in this range as bare minimum for any real cleaning of equipment. Actually they�re best at washing cars and such rather than heavy grime removal.
We have a 220 volt model at work which we use cleaning rental equipment daily. It�s 2400PSI and 3.5 GPM. It does a very good job at cleaning heavy grime and mud. It draws close to 40 amps at 220 however and was quite expensive.
A gas version with similar PSI and GPM would give the same results. More is always better however but these do a very satisfactory job. Like you said you get what you pay for. It�s my opinion though to not waste your money on the small 110-volt units. Personally I wouldn�t take another one if someone were giving it to me. Others may disagree with me but this was my experience.
Tim

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Ken in Pa.

03-29-2004 17:36:15




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 Re: Re: pressure washer in reply to Tim, 03-29-2004 17:27:36  
Hi tim... I just need a washer to sray down riding mowers that I buy and fix up and resell. How about if I spray them down with some oven cleaner or degeaser, do you think a 110 volt washer will be good for that? How about those "rotary" nossels they sell that are supost to help cut off dirt and grime , have you used one of those? are they any good?...Thanks, Ken



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John A.

03-29-2004 17:51:40




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 Re: Re: Re: pressure washer in reply to Ken in Pa. , 03-29-2004 17:36:15  
Skip the rotary nozzle. They will plug up and quit working. Been there done that. Go for a good middel of the line. Karcher is a good one.



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John

03-30-2004 03:55:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: pressure washer in reply to John A., 03-29-2004 17:51:40  
If you are not going to use this but once every few weeks, I had a Karcher 1300 psi unit with the rotary nozzle that worked well for me. Cleaning slabs? Forget it, too small. I let it freeze and that was that. Have replaced it with a 13horse, 3500 psi Honda powered unit with an 8 gallon tank. I think I was overcompensating but this thing will flat clean!



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Mark

03-30-2004 07:45:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: pressure washer in reply to John, 03-30-2004 03:55:08  
Do not buy a small pressure washer. You will never be happy with it.
I have a $300.00 2500psi unit from Home Depot. There are many similar ones on the market. For the most part it does the job. My biggest complaint is not having inflatable tires. Its hard to move on the dirt. If I had it to do over I would by the next model up from mine. That would be a little more power and have nicer tires.
I repeat do not by the low pressure one, you can do as well with a hose and Gunk.

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