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smark

03-25-2004 17:51:38




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Why are there not more Houses Built like Pole Barns? I am thinking about building a house next year starting with a Pole Barn Kit. I plan to use radiant Floor Heat and considering Straw bale construction for walls. Is there a reason that Pole Barns are rarely converted into Houses? They are very ecomical and good looking.




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MetalZ

03-31-2004 20:39:51




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
Hi Smark

You will get less flack if you refer to your walls as: "1 - 3 inch thick wire-reinforced concrete or plaster fire wall containing straw insulation"

The Canadian building code recognizes it as such, also New Mexico has done extensive research.

The book "The Straw Bale House" by Athena & Bill Steen and David Bainbridge, ISBN 0-930031-71-7, Chelsea Green Publishing Company is a good reference.

Anyone ever been to the Burrit Museum in Huntsville, Alabama? It was built in 1938, and yes, it's straw.

Regards

MetalZ

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jls

03-26-2004 15:51:38




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
been in the trades and built both( no straw tho). got to agree with berming in concrete in a well drained hill. pole const is less because it is less. less foundation, less lumber less framing, less labor. I have been on pole barns built by a lumber co,(48X120) that you could feel sway on the roof. Quality (exposed) post and beam homes run the same or more than conventional framing. As for straw; I've seen Drivit(branded synthetic stucco) over conventional materials that leaked and rotted out TREATED lumber Buyers are conservitive so conventional const. will prob pay off in resale IMHO

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Been there done that

03-26-2004 13:58:44




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
I had FBI Buildings erect a 40x56-9' truss connected to a 48x144-14' truss building. North wall is continueous, 40x56 has 8' poarch on 2 sides. overall footprint is approximately 50x200. Works out to be 3 bedrooms, 3 bath with an attached 40 car garage.

2x6 wall with a 2x4 purlin forms an 8" cavity for insulation. ceiling has 14" of insulation, once inside you do not notice outside noise with the exception of hail on the metal roof, no wind noise,traffic noise, animal noise....

reasons for building it, low cost, flexible room layout (no load bearing interior walls)can be changed anytime, highly efficient to heat and cool, wife said I wouldn't know where to start. FBI put up the shell, my Father and I on weekends for 6 months finished the interion. Erected walls, wiring, plumbing, hvac, insulation, drywall, paint, trim... I hired out the kitchen cabinets and flooring.

Loan, Farm Credit was more than happy to work with us and would have financed 100% if I desired. talked with other banks and they would do the came, just considered "non-conventional housing".

Biggest mistake, did not install in-floor radient heating due to the wife wanting all floors carpeted.

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mj

03-26-2004 20:52:48




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 Re: Re: Pole Barn House in reply to Been there done that, 03-26-2004 13:58:44  
I think that one sentence says it all: "Works out to be 3 bedrooms, 3 bath with an attached 40 car garage." You have your priorities in order my friend! :-)



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Jhill

03-26-2004 13:58:33




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
2 of my neighbors built them in the last 2 years. The had to put studs etc. in the walls to support drywall etc. The main saving was in the cost of footings. No way I would do it same with straw walls I you get a water leak i can see the walls getting bad real quick.



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John *.?-!.* cub owner

03-26-2004 10:29:13




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
Don't forget, you are still going to have to buld with studs, etc. as a support for walls (sheetrock, paneling, or what ever. sounds to me like you would end up with a hose that looks like a carwash.



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greenbeanman

03-26-2004 11:20:47




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 Re: Re: Pole Barn House in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 03-26-2004 10:29:13  
John, I don't really think he would have any need for studs. The strawbales are infill material between the poles.

Think of the walls as being finished like adobe block ones, no studding, only plastering.

The strawbales have expanded wire or wire lathe pinned to them, then the entire works is cemented/plastered over sealing in the bales. If they are completely enclosed in cement/stucco, there should be no threat from vermine.

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Bill Drew

03-26-2004 08:52:44




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
I've seen several pole barn houses go up around here (Western Wisconsin) in the last few years. I think they use spray insulation to seal the seams as well as insulating. IMHO, you really have to like living with mice and other critters to think about straw bale construction.

The points about insurance and building codes are good ones - check before you start out, it can get real expensive to fix stuff later. When I put up our pole barn, the building permit folks had to be reasured that it was not going to be used for living quarters. Likely not a problem with camping in it while building the house, but they didn't want to hear anything about water or sewer connections to it. They took their hands away from the Really Thick Code Book when they found out we had 62 acres and were building more than 200' from the property line.

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greenbeanman

03-26-2004 08:15:36




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
While reduced costs and do it yourself are both great, I would also want to build just one house in my lifetime. I just don't think the poles would last a lifetime as nwb indicated, nor let my kids live in the house afterward.

Strawbale construction seems to be coming into favor more and more. As to fire danger, the walls are encased in stucco or other type of vermin reduction system. With heavily packed material and limited air, home fires of bale construction are minimal. I did read of one such fire, and the bales only charred, never flamed and burned.

Whatever your decision, do remember that in colder climates you should seek solar gain from south windows. The normal is 10% of the square footage of the house.

Think super well insulated and air infiltration restrictive. While a well sealed home needs an air to air heat exchanger, savings will be realized overall. I read of homes built in New York state and other New England states that have no furnaces whatsoever in them. They are using R-50 in the sidewalls and R-90 in the ceilings. EXTREMELY tight construction is what makes them work.

Best wishes however you proceed.

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Red Dave

03-26-2004 07:44:51




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
Q - Why are there not more Houses Built like Pole Barns?
A - Because most of us are married, not every wife would hold still for that idea, I know mine wouldn't.

Q - Is there a reason that Pole Barns are rarely converted into Houses?
A - See above

Seriously, I don't know any reason why it couldn't be done from a technical standpoint. You would have to do it where the local zoning & building codes either don't exist or would allow it. You would also probably have to finance it yourself. I doubt that FHA, VA, or most banks would loan money on it.

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Jared in VT

03-26-2004 04:21:23




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
Hey Smark, You do ask the darnest questions. Always energetic and inquisitive. A pole barn is a pole barn and a house is a house. As nwb, points out, it's all about the foundation, or in this case, how you set the pole in the ground, because, lets face it, all they're doing is holding the roof up, and giving you a place to hang old fan belts. A straw-bale house is a whole 'nother animal, and needs no poles to hold the roof up. It is a variation on sod, adobe, gunnite construction. The best straw-bale homes have a post-n-beam style frame, with the bales stacked in between, and are then cabled and compressed into position. Then the whole package is sealed in place for insulative value and to defeat pests. Lots of good books on this, (and some very poor ones too.) Folks into this also run seminar's where you get to see one actually built. For my money, if you want a cheap, super insulated, last-for-200-years home, build it with concrete, bury it in a bank, face the front to the south lined with windows. Have fun, Jared

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Scott Green

03-27-2004 01:50:07




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 Re: Re: Pole Barn House in reply to Jared in VT, 03-26-2004 04:21:23  
Jared , The way you described the concrete house , is exactly how my neighbor is building his. Everyone around is watching the progress. Must be my neighbor is planning to reach the 200 year old mark.



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nwb

03-26-2004 02:58:09




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
Before you get too far in your plans look at some older pole barns. Mine was built in 1976 and I replaced the poles in 2002.



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Ray,IN

03-25-2004 18:10:07




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 Re: Pole Barn House in reply to smark, 03-25-2004 17:51:38  
I think the main reason you don't hear of them is contractors will not usually build one for living quarters because they must conform to local building standards just as a conventional house. Now if you build it yourself in an area without building codes to contend with you are free to build whatever you wish. In my county I can recall seeing houses built from wooden ammo boxes hauled away for scrap from Crane ammunition Depot, a pole barn construction house, 3 mobile homes pulled tight together, a converted farm barn, a two story round house, etc. I really doubt an insurance company will insure a straw insulated house used for living quarters.

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