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ZGscott

03-23-2004 20:14:30




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i am interested in purchasing animpact wrench and sockets for use in the garage.

which size should i buy??? 3/8" or 1/2" is there a big difference?

also, do most guns have torque control on them, or is that something i should be looking for, or will i need to purchase a separate torque wrench?

also, are there certain sized sockets i'll need that are more popular than others?

thanks for the insight.
scott

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kraigWY

03-25-2004 08:22:59




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 Re: impact wrench in reply to ZGscott, 03-23-2004 20:14:30  
Buy the best you can afford, you wont be sorry. I will never buy another cheap impact or other air tool, too many headaches. 1/2 will be more useful. I have a 3/8 inch air rachet, I love it. I actually use the rachet more then the impack wrench.



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ZGscott

03-24-2004 21:35:22




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 Re: impact wrench in reply to ZGscott, 03-23-2004 20:14:30  
thanks for all the good information.

i think i'll buy a 1/2" with a broad selection of sae and metric sockets. i don't think i'll buy an air ratchet, but i will get a torque wrench.

thanks again



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Dick L

03-24-2004 19:54:19




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 Re: impact wrench in reply to ZGscott, 03-23-2004 20:14:30  
I have two 1/2" and one 3/4" impact wrenches. All are the cheap ones like pictured below. I use them a lot on old tractors and machinery. shoot a squirt of oil in the air intale every once in a while. Never have had a problem with them. As far a sockets I broke several of the black impact sockets. I started about four years ago just using my china made sockets and have never broke one yet. Did break an S&K socket. I have an adapter for the 3/4" to use 1/2" sockets and have not broken any of them eather.

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old

03-24-2004 09:48:41




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 Re: impact wrench in reply to ZGscott, 03-23-2004 20:14:30  
Wal-Mart sells a pretty good one if you get there heavy duty one don't buy the stardard one it will not last been there done that but the heavy duty one has worked for 10 years with no problems, they also have the sockets. Gun and sockets will run around $100



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Dave 2N

03-24-2004 07:22:06




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 Re: impact wrench in reply to ZGscott, 03-23-2004 20:14:30  
Buy a 1/2" and use impact sockets. Many impacts have power settings but not torque control. What some of the manufacturers of "throw-away" tools call torque control is really a vaiable speed/power set up. True torque control is only available on the big, quality impacts from Ingersoll-Rand, etc. and they are for continuous, industrial use and are expensive.

For the occasional user, a "throw-away" impact will work fine but you can't beat the quality and value of something like I-R's Model 231 or their Model 2131.

And, yes, a 3/8" ratchet is an excellent companion.

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John

03-24-2004 08:33:24




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 Re: Re: impact wrench in reply to Dave 2N, 03-24-2004 07:22:06  
I have used the Chicago Pneumatics 734 for over 30 years and I stull think they are one of the best for general purposes. Check Ebay and have fun. The 1/2" is the one I like but I do also have a 3/8 impact and a 3/8 air rachet



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Dave 2n

03-24-2004 10:15:23




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 Re: Re: Re: impact wrench in reply to John, 03-24-2004 08:33:24  
Yup; CP's guns are good too but isn't CP defunct now, owned by Atlas-Copco?



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fixerupper

03-24-2004 05:17:17




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 Re: impact wrench in reply to ZGscott, 03-23-2004 20:14:30  
What kind of stuff are you torqueing on? My favorite is a 1/2 inch CP 734. It doesn't have as much torque as an Ingersoll but it is lighter and handier (in my view anyway). The suggestion about the air ratchet is a good one. It saves skinned knuckles in tight spots and turns the nut off in places where you can't quite get enough swing out of a ratchet to make it click. Another thing you need is lots of air flow. A 1/4 inch air line will make it spin but a 3/8 air line with enough flow to it will give it more oomph. To a certain point, it seems like air flow is more important than pressure. If you are just zipping off a few 1/2 inch nuts you don't need a big compressor. Yes, for some situations you will need a separate torque wrench.

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JerryU

03-24-2004 04:07:54




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 Re: impact wrench in reply to ZGscott, 03-23-2004 20:14:30  
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I know I am going to catch it on this, but if you are an occaisional user, the attached one does a decent job for not a lot of money. I have had it in the barn for about 6 years of lug nuts and tractor fixing as a hobby. Two things--it is Chinese and it is disposable. It is not an Ingersoll, but for the hobbiest that doesn't want to spend $300 it will work.

As far as wrenches, get one that goes about 450 lb ft of torque. The 240 lb ft ones will be too wimpy to break stubborn lug nuts loose (although they shouldn't be torqued that tight). That being said, when you put things on, be gentle. These things can twist bolts and studs off. Same thing in removing bolts, as in shock absorbers. At 450 lb ft you can twist off mounting studs.

FWIW.

JU

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Pappy

03-23-2004 22:22:17




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 Re: impact wrench in reply to ZGscott, 03-23-2004 20:14:30  
Your first impact wrench should be a 1/2" model. You should also get impact sockets, probably sizes 1/2" to 1". While the wrench is adjustable as to torque, there is no calibration on the wrench, so you will need a good torque wrench. A 3/8" wrench also is handy to have around for the smaller sockets, say 7/16" to 5/8". If you are using it for home type work, you can get one for 30 or 40 dollars at one of the big building supply companies. It is not necessary to spend $185.00, unless you use it for many hours a day. Be sure to provide oil for the wrench, either by daily application, or put an oiler in your dedicated oil line. Have Fun!

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buck

03-23-2004 22:00:07




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 Re: impact wrench in reply to ZGscott, 03-23-2004 20:14:30  

Depends alot on what you are doing. The popular combination is the 3/8 air ratchet and the 1/2 impact wrench. Use them in combination with the corresponding sockets found in the sets. Yes many impact wrenches are adjustable but should not be used in lieu of a torque wrench. You would not want to use an impact wrench to assemble an engine were torque specs are critical but using the impact on lug nuts is fine as long as the minimum torque is reached. Suggest getting impact sockets for the impact wrenches.

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BLEED BLUE

03-24-2004 12:23:58




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 Re: Re: impact wrench in reply to buck, 03-23-2004 22:00:07  
SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BE IN A SHOP..... ..



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Ron in Nebr.

03-23-2004 22:53:50




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 Re: Re: impact wrench in reply to buck, 03-23-2004 22:00:07  
After several years in the mechanic business, I'd never reccommend that someone without lots of experience use an impact wrench on lugnuts. ESPECIALLY on disc brake equipped cars and light trucks. Improper or uneven tourqe can warp the brake rotors, particularly on front wheel drive cars from the early 80's on up. And, even more importantly, getting them TOO tight can stress the wheel stud to the point of breaking. Play it safe and use a tourque wrench.

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Charles (in GA)

03-24-2004 15:00:42




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 Re: Re: Re: impact wrench in reply to Ron in Nebr., 03-23-2004 22:53:50  
Ron, I second your opinion. On an automobile, a brake disc is easily warped by uneven/overtorquing and of course there is the problem of removing that overtorqued wheel when you have a flat by the side of the road.

I needed two tires on my Ranger. I'm cheap, so I went to Wally world where I told them what I want. Usually I remove the wheels and take them to have tires mounted, I've had too many problems in the past with tire monkeys and impact tools, dinged hubcaps, cars nearly dropped off lifts, etc. But this one time, I drove the truck up to them. In a hurry and having only one running auto (the truck) caused me to do this. Sure enough the guy ran the nuts down with an impact (good tire shops use 4 ways to tighen the nuts going back on) anyhow, I got home and jacked it up, to break the nuts loose and retorque the wheels so I could get them off in an emergency. The nuts required an impact to run them all the way off! The softer steel of the nut had "pulled" and the threads were nearly stripped. Ten new lugnuts later I retorqued the wheels properly. Did I mention, the clown dented my hubcaps too, had to straighen them best I could too.

Charles

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Ron in Nebr

03-24-2004 21:13:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: impact wrench in reply to Charles (in GA), 03-24-2004 15:00:42  
Charles- I agree- I've seen and fought alot of lugnuts that got boogered up by some trigger-happy monkey with an impact wrench...

However, I have to mention here that the "good" tire places don't always put a lugnut back on with a 4-way anymore.

Nowadays, they have what are called "tourque sticks", designed especially for tightening lug nuts. What they are is a essentially a spring steel rod with a socket formed on the end. Different thickness of rod equals different tourqe value. They'll tighten a lug nut to the specified tourque value, then, at that point, the hammering of the impact wrench will simply twist the spring steel and the nut won't go any tighter. A full set of them for the common applications is not cheap, but I would imagine most decent-sized tire places have them these days.

They're sure a time saver, and, provided they start the lugnuts a few turns by hand to make sure they're not cross-threaded, I don't think even the most brain-dead shop flunky could mess up a wheel install using them(hubcap installation is another story).

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Slowpoke

03-25-2004 00:23:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: impact wrench in reply to Ron in Nebr, 03-24-2004 21:13:50  
I was wondering if the torque sticks can be used with a standard ratchet handle in place of a torque wrench?



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Charles (in GA)

03-25-2004 02:24:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: impact wrench in reply to Slowpoke, 03-25-2004 00:23:50  
Ron, I've seen these on EBay and didn't realize that these would be good for that, but I do now see the potential.

Slowpoke, NO, from what little I read in the description on Ebay, the sticks only work due to the hammering effect of the impact, which they asorb above the calibrated level (due to how thin or thick the stick is) and they flat state they will not work with hand tools such as rachets.

Charles

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John Ne.

03-23-2004 22:10:43




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 Re: Re: impact wrench in reply to buck, 03-23-2004 22:00:07  
I HIGHLY recommend using impact sockets, especially on a half inch impact wrench. This is from someone that took a co-worker to the emergency room when a socket split. John in Ne.



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Dick Kline

03-24-2004 09:21:14




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 Re: Re: Re: impact wrench in reply to John Ne., 03-23-2004 22:10:43  
I've always been of the opinion that impact guns are to take things off. Set it at a low power and thump the rusted bolt for a little while. If it will not come step up in power but be prepared to twist some off. I think you can twist things off faster with a breaker bar than gun set for low power!



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