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IMKCMAC

03-23-2004 18:17:44




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Hi fellows,
I need some input from this fantastic knowledge base.We need to purchase a water treatment system before all of our appliances and faucets are shot.Went to a home show and looked at 'em all.Basically all the same except one,they use a seven filter system with uv at the end,it's called Spring House.The only electrical is for tht uv light.No salt or potassium.My question,does anyone have any experience with this unit or one like it?They claim 4 states have outlawed conventional systems because the treated water run off kills friendly bacteria inground.Sure would appreciate hearing from experienced users before i plunk down any money.
Thankc guys,

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rod

03-25-2004 16:36:05




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 Re: Does anyone have experience with this? in reply to IMKCMAC, 03-23-2004 18:17:44  
I have a water softener it works very well been in for about 7 years now no real maintenance just add salt mine is a mechanical timer type it recharges at 2 in the morning when we are all asleep there are some types that do on demand that is when a certain gallon level I think 300 gallons was mentioned it would come on the installer recommended the mechanical type as he said if it wears out there is only one moving part that costs about 15 bucks so far I am very happy with it the tank holds three bags of salt which will go a couple months of usage.
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rod

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tomturkey

03-25-2004 11:41:25




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 Re: Does anyone have experience with this? in reply to IMKCMAC, 03-23-2004 18:17:44  
david was right on target. Sounds like you have hard water. If your water is otherwise safe(ie drinking cooking) you only need to treat the problem, hardness. If it is non-potable (unsafe for drinking)you indeed need to look at the UV or other treatment required to make it safe. Atta boy dave



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david - OR

03-25-2004 07:53:26




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 Re: Does anyone have experience with this? in reply to IMKCMAC, 03-23-2004 18:17:44  
The first thing you need is a clear understanding of what water quality problem you have. If the issue is "faucets and fixtures are shot", then the problem is most likely either very hard water (dissolved calcium and magnesium), or dissolved iron (and the iron bacteria that usually accompany such a situation).

If the stains are reddish and the water smells bad, it is most likely an iron problem. Brownish stains are the typical indicator of hard water. You can get a sample of your water (let the tap run for a while first) and send the sample out to a test house to get a diagnosis.

Treating hard water requires a chemical reaction on a fairly large scale. This is usually done using a water softener. The dissolved minerals are reacted with a salt (sodium chloride or potassium chloride) in a media chamber. The calcium and magnesium ions precipitate out on the medium and are exchanged for sodium (or potassium). The media chamber is periodically backwashed to flush out the reacted minerals and to recharge it with brine.

Most of the salt put into the softener goes out into the treated water. The sodium content of treated water, even very hard water, is considered "very low sodium" by FDA standards. Many bottled waters contain considerably more.

Some of the salt will be flushed down the drain during the backwash process. Generally, this is accepted as not harmful to septic systems (consider the dilution of 25 gallons of backwash vs. a 1000 gallon septic tank).

I had a cheap convential system in a house I owned 15 years ago. The untreated water was so bad that attempts to use the "raw" water for lawn irrigation stained everything brown. The treated water tasted just fine, did not stain fixtures, and washed clothes without an issue. I needed to refill at a rate of a bag of salt per month. The backwash discharge went into the septic tank, where the 25 gallons or so of discharge was diluted with the 1000 gallons retained in the septic tank.

For some reason the water treatment industry is full of mysticism, outlandish statements, and peculiar business arrangents (such as renting a $400 household appliance). Anyone that can master high school chemistry can figure out what a water softener has to do and why it needs to be periodically recharged with reactants.

Any concerns over dietary sodium or impact to septic systems can be ameliorated with the simple substitution of potassium chloride for sodum chloride. Lots of people take potassium supplements and potassium is thought to be good for a septic system.

As best I can determine "Spring House" is made by Ecowater, a vendor which I've seen to have reasonable quality equipment but also a good dose of hype and mysticism. The installed cost for the "Spring House" system is about $3500. It will also require annual media changes to the tune of $400 EVERY year. See the following website:>Link

Lowes>Link and Home Depot sell water softeners off the shelf for about $400. The annual cost for sodium chloride would be $30 to $60. You can subsitute potassium chloride for a total annual cost of $40 to $120 if you are concerned about the impact of sodium on the discharge water.

So you can pay $3500 plus $400 per year, and reap all the benefits of the SpringHouse, or $400 plus $30 per year, and treat the one problem you most likely have. The choice is yours...

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BB

03-24-2004 04:54:10




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 Re: Does anyone have experience with this? in reply to IMKCMAC, 03-23-2004 18:17:44  
kills friendly bacteria inground???
The only way that would happen is if the water was treated with some kind of antibacterial or other agent. I certainly would not want to be drinking or bathing in it. Treating the water with UV light might kill bacteria in the water (if it is strong enought) but it would not kill bacteria after the water soaked into the ground. I would run away from such claims.

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BB

03-24-2004 04:58:08




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 Re: Re: Does anyone have experience with this? in reply to BB, 03-24-2004 04:54:10  
Oops. Misread the post. In any event, I would still be leary of anyone making claims as you describe.



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VaTom

03-24-2004 04:15:28




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 Re: Does anyone have experience with this? in reply to IMKCMAC, 03-23-2004 18:17:44  
Mac, normally a system is to treat a particular problem. Is yours coliform? If so, a simple UV treatment will suffice. Filters are generally used to treat different problems, salt or potassium for water hardness.

It sounds like Spring House is wanting to cure all problems that anybody could have, not particularly the ones you have. I find the name amusing as springs in Va don't come up to state health standards without help, usually from a UV system.

Like Kelvin, I'd be very suspicious of anybody who claims the competition is endangering ground water. Did they tell you which 4 states and you checked it out?

Do you have a well, or are you drinking river water?

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Kelvin

03-23-2004 18:33:46




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 Re: Does anyone have experience with this? in reply to IMKCMAC, 03-23-2004 18:17:44  
"the treated water run off kills friendly bacteria inground."
That part sounds fishy. IF that runoff is the same water you drink, wouldn't it cause intestinal problems-like diarreah-kinda like high powered antibiotics do when they kill the 'friendly' bacteria that live in the digestive tract?

'course, what do I know about water treatment systems. . .



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