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Propane Thermocouple How Do They Work?

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Pete in Post Fa

09-13-2000 09:20:27




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I have a propane shop heater that doesn't work.

I suspect the safety Thermocouple doesn't work.

How can you tell if the thermocouple or combination gas valve doesn't work.

My thoughts are: If I heat up the thermocouple with an independent heat source (Propane torch) and it gets cherry red, but see no physical movement on the other end, the thermocouple has died.

Any comments?

Pete in Post Falls

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Pete in Post Falls

09-15-2000 22:12:50




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 Re: Propane Thermocouple How Do They Work? in reply to Pete in Post Falls, 09-13-2000 09:20:27  
Thanks for everyones input.

Just about everybody was absolutely right!

I've learned through asking this question that Thermocouples "Generate" about 30 millivolts when heat is applied (I measured it with a Digital Multimeter, Dissimilar metals, or magic doesn't matter, if I can measure it that's close enough), which goes to 0 volts when cooled.

Unfortunately, my old one (and my new one!) put out over 30 millivolts. I suspect my combination valve is bad, Thermocouple works and the pilot when I push the "Red" button is Blue and is concentrated to the Thermocouple, but the pilot goes out when I let the red button go.

I'm gonna see what a valve costs at an RV place.

If I don't post in a couple of weeks, I tried to fix it myself! :)

Thanks again for y'alls help. You're a great gang!


Pete in Post Falls

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er

09-15-2000 19:14:06




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 Re: Propane Thermocouple How Do They Work? in reply to Pete in Post Falls, 09-13-2000 09:20:27  
Thermocouples are a magic device that when you apply heat to them they produce a small electic charge which opens the main gas valve. After a time they just quit prouducing the magic (electic curent). The easy thing to do is to just keep a spare themocouple and when you have this problem and just replace it.



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Bob

09-15-2000 10:55:09




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 Re: Propane Thermocouple How Do They Work? in reply to Pete in Post Falls, 09-13-2000 09:20:27  
A thermocouple is an electrical device that generates an electric current in the presence of heat. That current is used to accuate a solenoid valve. At least that is how it works in furnaces and how water heaters. If enough heat is not present (e.g. no flame, low flame), then there is not enough current to hold the valve open and the the gas is shutoff.



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Get a new one!

09-14-2000 20:18:36




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 Re: Propane Thermocouple How Do They Work? in reply to Pete in Post Falls, 09-13-2000 09:20:27  
Pete- Don't mess with that thing... Git a new thermocouple, bolt it on, clean and adjust the pilot light nozzle to heat the thermouple bulb. Then, count yourself out of trying to join the DIY, propane launched, low earth orbit space station wannabe cult, like we seem to have here in Iowa.

Don't let yourself git sidetracked into "how it works" type discussions. Most important is to just replace the thing and hope for the best!

Good luck, IHank

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chief613

09-13-2000 17:27:37




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 Re: Propane Thermocouple How Do They Work? in reply to Pete in Post Falls, 09-13-2000 09:20:27  
i dont know ur whole problem, aint aint no expert, but i have found that sometimes the pilot isnt quite right and wont keep the thermocoplin hot enough to stay lit. In a jamb i have set a propane torch with its flame on the thermocouplin to keep things goin till the gas man made it around. Nothin that i would leave unattended, aint the smartest or safest thing to do. But it was about 30 below with the wind blowin, and we was gettin a slab ready to pour

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Trapper

09-13-2000 11:44:12




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 Re: Propane Thermocouple How Do They Work? in reply to Pete in Post Falls, 09-13-2000 09:20:27  
If my memory serves me correctly, the thermocouple when under heat, generates a magnetic field. This in turn holds a small steel ball bearing back from plugging a valve seat when cold, stopping gas flow.
Natural gas is only about 1-2psi at most, so I'm assuming propane is about the same, even tho propane has almost twice the BTU's natural gas does.
Have you tried changing the thermo couple? If not, for a couple bucks it's worth it.

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