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Buck

03-21-2004 04:01:24




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Hi guys, need your advice. I bought two of those 20-foot long ocean-shipping containers yesterday at an auction. I plan on using them to store hay for the grandkid�s horses. I�m going to place them side-by-side and build some trusses, and install metal roofing along with moisture barrier under the metal and on top the perlins. All to protect the flat roofs on the containers. The problem is, how do I stop the condensation inside the containers? I thought about installing roof vents in the ceilings of each container, and placing regular house insulation on top of the container�s roofs under the new metal roof, but what about the walls? I hate to install plywood on all the inside walls and ceilings. Have you seen the price of plywood? I have been around these containers all my adult life on construction sites. They have a tendency to sweat like pigs! But maybe that�s because we were trying to heat them. As they were used for lunchrooms / dressing rooms. Maybe they won�t sweat with out heat, keep the temperature close to the same inside and out. Any thoughts? Thanks for the help.

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jls

03-22-2004 18:35:17




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 Re: 20-foot shipping containers in reply to Buck, 03-21-2004 04:01:24  
don't know where you are but in NE ohio if you can't throw a cat thru at least two side of the barn it is to tight. I have 2 customers with small horse barns that I cannot put fresh hay into, it has to sweat on the wagons for a couple of days before I can put it in their barns. why not peel the inside side off the containers or at least cut in some big openings for doors. vents, power turbins, roof leaks, just go nutz with a sawsall! LOL

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paul

03-22-2004 08:48:43




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 Re: 20-foot shipping containers in reply to Buck, 03-21-2004 04:01:24  
Containers more or less seal up; hay needs air flow. Are you planning on leaving the doors off? Otherwise I don't see containers being a good storage situation for hay. Hay needs to breath, would take a lot of vent holes.

I'd place the containers 12' apart, put trusses over both, and use the center open area for hay. Store valubles or so in the 2 containers.

--->Paul



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Slowpoke

03-21-2004 17:40:36




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 Re: 20-foot shipping containers in reply to Buck, 03-21-2004 04:01:24  
I use railroad ties under each end to keep the containers off the ground at least 4-5". Ground moisture will rust the cross pieces completely thru if set directly on the ground. If a moisture barrier is underneath, rainwater can collect unless the barrier is smaller than the perimeter of the container so the rain can't get on it. I do not use a moisture barrier. Sweating on the ceiling will occur when the inside temp heats up and sun goes down, causing the hot inside air to condense on the cold ceiling.
At least two self powered turbine vents should be on the roof, and a screened vent equal to the square inch area of one turbine is placed at each end of the container at the bottom of the flat panel.
Of course, if you're going to put a roof over the container, you won't need the turbines, but the roof addition needs to be vented.

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RJ-AZ

03-21-2004 13:20:01




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 Re: 20-foot shipping containers in reply to Buck, 03-21-2004 04:01:24  
I put a wind turbine on mine and a 6"x6" vent down low on one side for ventilation. Of course this is down here in Sunny Sothern Arizona. If I had two of them I would space them abot 12' apart and roof that over. I use mine for a shop and storage and have no moisture problems.



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Buck

03-21-2004 14:38:47




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 Re: Re: 20-foot shipping containers in reply to RJ-AZ, 03-21-2004 13:20:01  
RJ, I was just thinking this morning on the same lines as you have suggested. I live in the Great North West. Problem is it rains a little bit here, now and then. Hardly ever rains the last two weeks in August! The other guys gave some good advice also with the moisture barrier on the ground. Already got it laid out waiting for the containers to be delivered. Thanks for the help.



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mark

03-21-2004 04:20:07




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 Re: 20-foot shipping containers in reply to Buck, 03-21-2004 04:01:24  
Alot of the moisture comes up through the floors. Before you set them,put down a vapor barrier,and sit them on a stone base,and the addition of an exhaust vent will take care of alot of it. Don't pack the hay tight to the walls,leave a little air space around it. You won't control all of it,but this will help keep it to a minimum.



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bo

03-21-2004 04:17:42




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 Re: 20-foot shipping containers in reply to Buck, 03-21-2004 04:01:24  
I would wait before I insulate the things. Buildings and such sweat because of a difference in temperature. If the temperature is the inside as it is outside, then no condensation can occur. Generally, if no heat is used and it's vented to the outside, then the only place it can sweat would be on the floor, if the floor is in contact with the ground. For example, no heat, floor is in contact with ground, winter freezes everything and in the spring, when warm air arrives, the floor remains cold from the soil, the floor will sweat. The basic principle of attic insulation in houses is the same, vent the attic to stabilize the temp inside to what it is outside and the attic can't sweat.

If you are not going to heat the building and will vent it and it's not in contact with the ground or vapor barriered from the ground, then it can't sweat. The only variable you'll need to be concerned about is the amount of spontaeneous heat the hay will generate, in particular, if you allow it be stored wet and some decompositon occours.

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