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Will this pump work on my motor?

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Craig

03-19-2004 10:15:53




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harbor freight has a 3" water pump that you hook to your own motor. I have a 3.5 HP Briggs that i want to make into a pump. I know it is not powerfull enough to run that pump. However, if i were to put a valve on the pump to limit the water flow, would the motor be able to run it?

heres the link to the pump
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Burrhead

03-19-2004 20:50:05




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 Re: Will this pump work on my motor? in reply to Craig, 03-19-2004 10:15:53  
Craig they sell that same pump everyday with 2" ports.

I linked a pic of the pump you originally asked about teamed up with a 4hp engine and using 2" ports.

Rod is right. The different sized ports do change the flow rates and lift. They both increase.



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Rod (NH)

03-19-2004 20:14:18




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 Re: Will this pump work on my motor? in reply to Craig, 03-19-2004 10:15:53  
Hi Craig,

Yes, your 3.5 HP motor will work with that pump even though a 5.5 HP drive is recommended by the manufacturer. You just will not have enough power available to develop the maximum total head of 82 FT while you are running at full speed of 3600 rpm. No pump curve is provided so I am assuming that the pump rating point is 242 GPM at a total head of 82 FT while operating at 3600 rpm.

I would not recommend throttling the suction and I would not recommend dropping the size from 3" to 2", especially on the inlet. You will be working against yourself if you do.

You'll have enough HP available for full speed operation if you don't restrict the discharge very much, certainly will do fine with a free discharge at 242 GPM, if your usage plans will permit a free discharge. Plus, you can always decrease the speed (I am assuming an engine drive here) and thereby reduce the flow, head and required HP from those at the pump rating point.

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Burrhead

03-19-2004 19:37:52




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 Re: Will this pump work on my motor? in reply to Craig, 03-19-2004 10:15:53  
The short simple answer is yes your 3.5hp engine will run the pump, but no it won't run it with 3" ports.

Drop the pump ports down to 2"inlet and 2"outlet and enjoy your pump.

Cliff and Frazier just got a little worked up on your question.



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Earl Borchardt

03-19-2004 15:18:24




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 Re: Will this pump work on my motor? in reply to Craig, 03-19-2004 10:15:53  
Gents,
It has been my experience that centrifugal pumps are throttled at the discharge rather than the suction side. Too much restruiction at the suction side will generally result in pump cavitation, which in turn results in poor performance and a destroyed pump. One can observe the power draw of a centrifugal pump driven by an electric motor by using an amp probe. When the discharge valve is adjusted down to restrict flow the power draw will go down. When the discharge valve is opened the power draw will go up. In some cases I've seen the power draw will go up to the point that the drive belts will slip and can overload the motor. We use to call this adjusting procedure "trimming the pump". Squirrel cage air blowers react the same way. When sizing pumps one must adhere to the pump manufactures pump curves.

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Rod (NH)

03-19-2004 15:48:14




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 Re: Re: Will this pump work on my motor? in reply to Earl Borchardt, 03-19-2004 15:18:24  
Hi Earl,

You are correct. Generally speaking, one should never throttle the suction side of a centrifugal pump. The use of a throttle valve is to adjust the system performance characteristic to force the pump to operate at a different point on it's performance curve than it otherwise would. A centrifugal pump will always operate at the point where the system curve intersects the pump curve. A throttle valve is a means to adjust this intersection point. Throttling the suction side will only tend to starve the pump, and, as you say, cause undesirable cavitation.

Horsepower is proportional to the product of flow and discharge pressure at any constant speed. A decrease in either without a corresponding increase in the other will result in a net lowering of the hp requirement. Similarly, a decrease in operating speed, without any other system changes, will result in a decrease of both flow and discharge head.

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buickanddeere

03-19-2004 13:43:05




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 Re: Will this pump work on my motor? in reply to Craig, 03-19-2004 10:15:53  
The suction side would have to be throttled not the discharge side. It would be about the same price to get a larger motor and do the job right rather than pay for and cobble a valve on. Or how about purchasing the matched size pump for a 3-1/2HP engine Being a centrifical pump and HP requirments being a cube root of rpm, she may just lugg down to 3000rpm or so and do ok. If the discharge pressure it low the 3.5HP may run the pump just fine at rated rpm.

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