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Battery Charger Won't Work

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Hurk

03-16-2004 12:35:14




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Hi,
I have this battery charger it's an Associated 6002a model. I have checked all wires for breaks and check for continuity and it is not an open circuit. Powered up only the cooling fan runs. Thanks for any help, this is not my strong suit. >Link

Link href="http://www.associatedequip.com/associated/pdf/wirediags/6002a.pdf">Link

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Keith--OR

03-18-2004 22:40:59




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 Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to Hurk, 03-16-2004 12:35:14  
Why is it I get the feeling that this is not a complete schematic of this charger.Especially when it has a patented "sub-sil" multidiode recetifier. Hurk is there any circuit boards inside that is not being shown on the schematics, cause I do not see any current protect or voltage overload circuits.



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Gary Schafer

03-18-2004 15:29:59




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 Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to Hurk, 03-16-2004 12:35:14  
I looked at the schematic. There is an error in it. They show the black wire going from the right side of the timer to the bottom part of the transformer. That shouldn't be. The white wire should connect to that part of the transformer. Otherwise the fan would be in series with the transformer primary as they have it shown.

Unless they have other errors in the diagram.

Take your meter in the AC voltage mode and check the voltage on the output side of the transformer winding end to winding end. Then check the voltage from each end to the center tap on the transformer. It should be 1/2 of what the end to end voltage was. If you have no ac voltage here then the problem is in the primary side.
If you do have ac voltage there, put the meter on DC and check between the center tap and the input to the circuit DC breaker. Follow on to the ammeter etc.

Make the same kind of measurements on the primary side in the AC mode with the meter. One lead on the black wire where it connects to the timer and the other lead on the wire where it connects to the lower transformer switch. If you have voltage there then leave the test lead on the lower transformer switch and move the other one to the output lead of the timer, which will be the junction where the fan lead hooks and the circuit breaker hooks to. If you have voltage there then move that lead to the other side of the circuit breaker. If you have voltage there you should have it at the transformer unless one of the switches is bad.

The transformer may be open if nothing there.

Be carefull! Don't get zapped.

Let us know what you find.

Regards
Gary

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tech4

03-18-2004 16:02:41




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 Re: Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to Gary Schafer, 03-18-2004 15:29:59  
Gary, I thought there was a mistake also but if you look close all connections that cross and are not connected have a half loop over the wire. I think the white of the power cord and the white of the amps charge switch and 1 of the blacks of the fan motor and the black lead of timer are all spliced together. Normally there should be a dot there but that is the only way it will work without the fan being in series.

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Gary Schafer

03-18-2004 17:18:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to tech4, 03-18-2004 16:02:41  
Yes I think you are right. I was assuming that the black lead from the timer was a "black" line lead with that side of the ac line but it must be to power the timer motor. I had also assumed a mechanical timer at first.

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Gary



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tech4

03-18-2004 16:20:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to tech4, 03-18-2004 16:02:41  
And by the way, a low reading across AC breaker does not mean that it is not open unless you remove one lead. The meter will read back through the primary of the transformer. An easy check would be to put AC meter across AC breaker and if good you will get 0 volts if open you will read 120 volts.



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tech4

03-18-2004 15:02:54




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 Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to Hurk, 03-16-2004 12:35:14  
Put your DVM on AC volts and place the probes on the 2 connections of the rectifier that goes to the transformer and with power on you should get 12-24 volts AC. If you get the AC but no DC Then the rectifier is open. If you do not get AC then the problem is on the primary side of transformer.



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BB

03-18-2004 04:57:01




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 Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to Hurk, 03-16-2004 12:35:14  
Did you try it on more than one battery? Most chargers will not attempt to work on a shorted battery.



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Hurk

03-18-2004 12:51:02




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 Re: Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to BB, 03-18-2004 04:57:01  
BB, Thanks for idea, I used trolling motor battery I bought in fall it just been sitting on block of wood. Should be good. Thank You Again. Hurk



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Keith

03-17-2004 00:08:18




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 Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to Hurk, 03-16-2004 12:35:14  
If you have a digital VTVOM I would unplug the charger take off the case cover, take a measurement across the AC circuit breaker with the VTVOM set on ohms. Reading should be zero if it is good. then check your DC circuit breaker, it should read zero or close to it depending on your meter. As I can see from the schematic., the fan will work even if either breaker is tripped. The problem with most chargers is that they use a bimetel switch as a circuit breaker, and they DO FAIL. I am not one for R & R, better and cheaper to determine the problem and the replace component that has failed. Email me if this does not help, and I will try to step you through to find your problem

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Hurk

03-18-2004 12:43:07




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 Re: Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to Keith, 03-17-2004 00:08:18  
Keith,
I have check charger out with a fluke 75 multimeter and across the A.C. circuit breaker D.C. circuit breaker Amp Charge Meter Rectifier
all go to zero's. I even checked cables from both ends and checked from ground in frame to the different things, checks ok (meter won't go to zero's) do you have any suggestion, I understand things go bad from time to time but when I can't find the problem it is double frustrating. Thank You Again. HURK

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napaguy

03-16-2004 19:43:41




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 Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to Hurk, 03-16-2004 12:35:14  
go get a new rectifier plate..associated # is 610122.



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Hurk

03-18-2004 12:28:10




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 Re: Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to napaguy, 03-16-2004 19:43:41  
napaguy... Why do you say go get a new rectifier plate..associated # is 610122? The number on the chart under drawing says #610100 From the meter it says it is good. Thank You. HURK



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tech4

03-16-2004 14:29:20




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 Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to Hurk, 03-16-2004 12:35:14  
That is a faily simple circuit but anything in the primary or secondary loop could cause your problem. The AC breaker is on the transformer only and could be tripped or open and the fan still work The voltage change switch could be open. You need to check AC voltage into the rectifier and DC voltage out of the rectifier. There is also a circuit breaker in the output that could be tripped or opened and one thing that I have found many times is the AMP meter open after the charger has been shorted on the output. Check across meter and it should read a virtual dead shock if it is ok.

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tech4

03-16-2004 14:31:54




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 Re: Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to tech4, 03-16-2004 14:29:20  
That should be dead short across meter



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Ray,IN

03-16-2004 19:37:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Battery Charger Won't Work in reply to tech4, 03-16-2004 14:31:54  
A local TV repair shop fixed mine once and the cost was about 3/4 that of a new one. The repairman said next time just buy a replacement if the cost of the old one was under $100.



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