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Propane injection in a diesel truck

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Eric Rylander

03-13-2004 17:04:28




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I am a diesel mechanic but never work on trucks (work on generators and marine engines)
I have heard of propane being used a power adder, I understand how nitrous is used, supercools the inlet charge, and allows more oxegen and hence more fuel to be burned, but how does propane work?

I was at the local 1/8 mile dragstrip last night, and a guy with the 6 liter Powerstroke in a newer F250 Crew cab 4X4 took off squealing all fours, he ran a 9.20 (don't know the MPH) by comparison I have a '91 short bed S10 with a very mild 355 inch V8 (3200lb with me in it) that ran a 9.36 at 74.50mph!

He said the engine was stock internally, he had a Banks exhaust, free fowing inlet and propane injection. This has got to be a 6-7000 lb truck


Eric
I think

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9NJoe

03-15-2004 12:16:39




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 Re: Propane injection in a diesel truck in reply to Eric Rylander, 03-13-2004 17:04:28  
Eric,

IMHO, do not go with propane. Go with N2O. It gives way more bang for the buck. It does a little in the cooling of the intake charge but the real power comes from when the mixture ignites and heat is generated, the bonds between the nitrogen and the oxygen break and large amounts of oxygen is produced. This is what will allow you to inject more fuel and still burn it. The oxygen is what makes the power.

Joe

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Eric Rylander

03-15-2004 14:01:38




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 Re: Re: Propane injection in a diesel truck in reply to 9NJoe, 03-15-2004 12:16:39  
Actually I don't even own a diesel truck though I do drive a '02 F350 Powerstroke every day (company service truck, marine field mechanic)

I would like to get the technical explaination as to how propane injection works, I'm interested in knowing the "HOW"

Eric



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LesWV

03-15-2004 16:40:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Propane injection in a diesel truck in reply to Eric Rylander, 03-15-2004 14:01:38  
Eric
The basics work like this.
Your injector injects X amount of fuel. That X amount of fuel will only create so much combustion pressure.
By adding Propane another combustable as a gas or fume. You raise the combustion pressure. The amount that the pressure is increased depends on the system you have installed and the amount of propane gas you are feeding the system. The Propane replaces part of the incoming air charge.

Propane injectors do not increase the compression ratio. For the it is only after the cylinder fires that the extra pressure is placed on the piston.

I quess that you can look at it like stuffing two of the same sized pipes. One full of Black Powder and the other using Dynamite then shoot them off. They will both take up the same amount of space. But the one will surely give you a bigger kick in the pants.

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LesWV

03-14-2004 11:27:14




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 Re: Propane injection in a diesel truck in reply to Eric Rylander, 03-13-2004 17:04:28  
If you have or install a Bullydog Propane kit. You bettter make sure that it is done correctly the first time. For you will not get a second chance.
Two guys here had a shop install the system on trucks that were less than 6 months old. One on a 2003 Dodge 350 Cummins and another on a Power stroke F250 Ford. Neither truck made the 30 mile drive home. The engines were destoried by having Liquid propane injected into the intake. The system is supose to just inject the propane as a gas or fumes which ever you like to call it.

Now the guys are making payments on useless trucks sitting in their driveway needing new engines. Dodge and Ford both voided the warranty and will not replace the engines. Meanwhile the guy that installed the systems is untouchable as far as law suites go. For they have tried that route.

LP injector systems are a good thing for making power. But you need to use catution when it comes to them. Do not let yourself get to excited and left wantting more. For you can either make good power safely without damaging your engine or you can destory it in a heart beat. If you install it or have someone install the system. You must make 100% sure every step of the way that it is installed correctly. For all you need to do is ask yourself, Can you afford to buy a new engine if it goes wrong?

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fox

03-15-2004 05:05:39




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 Re: Re: Propane injection in a diesel truck in reply to LesWV, 03-14-2004 11:27:14  
On other sites, they say the Power stroke will throw rods, the Cummins will loose the head gasket if too much propane is used. I am not sure of the duramax it will most likely be the rods also.
It is the wrong type of fuel to use. Add diesel and more air, to make power.
There are a lot of peole using propane to improve mileage. Just a little works nice but has its risks. There are guys with the Cummins claiming 26-30 mpg with a propane light fog added.

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John Ne.

03-14-2004 09:47:14




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 Re: Propane injection in a diesel truck in reply to Eric Rylander, 03-13-2004 17:04:28  
My boss used to have a Ford Powerstroke V8 in a F-350 he used exclusively for pulling a race trailer. Had the tranmission beefed, oversize exhaust, and propane injection. The lp was a professional install, used it for long hills, passing. Said on a long grade out west, he could pass cars uphill, pulling a trailer. Mind you, a long grade in Wy, and Mont. may be two miles long. And to show off once, could smoke the rears without much overrevving.

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49 Cubber!

03-14-2004 08:44:14




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 Re: Propane injection in a diesel truck in reply to Eric Rylander, 03-13-2004 17:04:28  
Sluing a couple of rods using propane once!Never do it again,it was too much fun!



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John A

03-13-2004 20:28:11




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 Re: Propane injection in a diesel truck in reply to Eric Rylander, 03-13-2004 17:04:28  
Eric, Talked to a guy this week with a 2001 Powerstroke diesel. F250, 4x2, crewcab, auto, He was pulling a loboy goosneck, tandem 10,000 lb axles. He told me his Stroke was chipped with a 80 hp chip. + LP injection, giving him an additional 100hp too. By the time he gets rid of this truck there won't be a lot of good left in it!
Pushing an additional 180 horses over stock is not going to be good. It didn't have a larger exhaust,just the standard one from factory.I personally be sceptical of the later problems that could arise.
My thoughts,
John A.

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Ray,IN

03-13-2004 18:52:34




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 Re: Propane injection in a diesel truck in reply to Eric Rylander, 03-13-2004 17:04:28  
Eric, You'll find loads of information on the bullydog propane injection system on thier website. Visit some of the diesel truck websites for users comments: dieselram.com dieseltruckresource.com



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