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Well problems My options???

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Earl

03-10-2004 09:47:13




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A few days ago I got some good advice from all of you. I have part of my problem solved. But I also have a problem with the well. My well man says I have a small hole in the drop pipe. He tried to pull the pump and it is stuck in the casing. It has never been out in 32yr.He said he definitely could pull harder but he was afraid it would pull the pipe into .If it stuck at the top he said he could acid treat it and try again ,but if the pipe breaks down at the pump we are done .New well?? But right now we still have a water. Thank you .Earl

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Ralph - Ohio

03-11-2004 17:34:52




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 Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Earl, 03-10-2004 09:47:13  
Do you have a check valve in the line near the pressure tank? If so, you should be able to live with a small hole for a while. If the hole is above the water level you may get some air in the line every time the pump runs. If below the water level in the well, the pump just won't develop as much pressure and will run longer. You can aid this situation by backing down the shutoff switch pressure. If you don't have a check valve near the pressure tank and the problem is just that the pressure in the tank slowly bleeds off, installing a check valve may solve the problem for a long time.

Been There

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Earl

03-11-2004 19:30:03




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 Re: Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Ralph - Ohio, 03-11-2004 17:34:52  
The check valve is in the drop pipe. The hole is below the check valve. It will pump up to the 60lb. and hold pressure. I am going to back the shut off pressure down.Hoping the hole wont get much bigger soon. Thanks for the reply. Earl



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Bus Driver

03-11-2004 04:46:51




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 Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Earl, 03-10-2004 09:47:13  
Earl, after reading all the previous posts, sounds as if your plumber has the best plan. Practice in my area now is to use 6" plastic well casing, costs less than the steel. My casing goes to 55' but the well is 300'. Good idea to limp by until warmer weather permits use of hose from the neighbor. Your original installation really gave good service. The 2" well system I described is for the jet (venturi) and foot valve assembly used with jet pumps. They stick also.

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wdTom

03-10-2004 18:24:08




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 Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Earl, 03-10-2004 09:47:13  
If worse come to worse and the pump is stuck and you can't drive it down you can get the well rig to set up and drill through the pump. Cheaper than a new well.



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T_Bone

03-10-2004 17:58:34




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 Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Earl, 03-10-2004 09:47:13  
Hi Earl.

To pay a driller to get it out will probably be expensive "if" it can be done.

You could build a tri-pod with a winch, then make a reverse driver then pound on the top of the pump, drive down then up.

A reverse driver is a piece of vertical sloted pipe smaller than the well casing. The slot lets the driver slip around the existing pressure pipe and is lowered by the winch. Sharpen the edges of the driver so it removes side wall rust as it goes down, then bump the pump with the driver until it comes loose.

If the pump was set too far off the bottom then you will need to add a joint of pipe with a casing stop, (two bars that clamp around the pressure pipe that stops the pump from falling to the bottom).

With pressure pipe and wiring your probably looking at 600lbs or so at 100ft. I bet the Pipe Joints will have to be cut instead of unscrewed when you pull it.

T_Bone

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Earl

03-10-2004 18:46:50




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 Re: Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to T_Bone, 03-10-2004 17:58:34  
The top piece (where he pulls from) wont let us get by to get down to the pump. Thanks Earl



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Bus Driver

03-10-2004 16:38:47




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 Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Earl, 03-10-2004 09:47:13  
Is this a 2" well? On those, the outer casing carries water between it's inner surface and the exterior of another smaller pipe that is in the well. At the bottom, the seal is expanded at time of installation by turning the inner pipe. Loosening the seal is done the same way. I think the direction to loosen is clockwise, but am not sure. If the well is larger, what could the pump be stuck to?



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paul

03-10-2004 18:37:30




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 Re: Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Bus Driver, 03-10-2004 16:38:47  
Never heard of such a thing, 2" pump. Around here pumps are just under 4" in size, and if you were cheap you drilled a 4" well, if you thought ahead you drilled a 5" well.... ;)

--->Paul



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Earl

03-10-2004 16:51:17




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 Re: Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Bus Driver, 03-10-2004 16:38:47  
Its a standard 4in. well 98 ft deep with submergible pump on the end of the pipe. 4in inside dia. casing pump is 3.7/8 32 yrs of rust. Thanks Earl



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VaTom

03-11-2004 04:59:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Earl, 03-10-2004 16:51:17  
Hi Earl,

I also have a 4" well. 6" is standard around here. Those 3 7/8" pumps will work if the bore is perfectly straight. Mine wasn't. Turns out Grundfos manufactures a smaller diameter pump.

I haven't found anybody else that does. When you do finally get it out, strong recommendation to never relive your problem by putting a smaller d. Grundfos down there. Pressure, gpm, connections, everything else is the same, just smaller d., around 3" IIRC. You'll probably have to call them to find a distributor.

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Pitch

03-10-2004 15:01:00




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 Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Earl, 03-10-2004 09:47:13  
Where did it stick? How deep is the well and where does the water level sit? I don't have any experience with this kind of problem but if no one else has any ideas,you really have nothing to loose so try to pull it the rest of the way. If it does break and your well is a good one and your lucky enough to have it break close to the pump possibly you could shove it back to the bottom and set another pump on top. I am just rambling here but a new well is a pricey propposition. Hopefully someone will jump in with some real advice.

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Earl

03-10-2004 16:42:39




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 Re: Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Pitch, 03-10-2004 15:01:00  
My well man says it could be stuck at the pump or it could be stuck at the top where the 2 "O" rings seals it. The inside of the well is 4in. the pump is 3.7/8 he said rust could be built up around the pump. The well is 98 ft deep but I don't have any Idea the water level.I can't Imagine there isn't some kind of device to get that pump and pipe out.Maybe get second opinion. Thanks for your thoughts. Earl

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SteveB

03-10-2004 17:28:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to Earl, 03-10-2004 16:42:39  
Earl,
My neighbor just had the same problem 265' deep.
They pulled it out with a winch. It was stuck pretty bad.



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Earl

03-10-2004 17:41:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Well problems My options??? in reply to SteveB, 03-10-2004 17:28:41  
Steve, My option is he will bring the winch back after they pour some acid down (24hrs) to see if it will desolve some of the rust. He said he could pull hard enough but he didn't want to put us completely out of business today. We can limp by tell the weather gets better and we can run some hoses from the neighbor house (100 yrds.) Thanks Earl



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