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Back-pack cutting torch outfit

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Harrison

03-09-2004 20:00:59




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Interested in a back pack sized cutting out fit and was wondering if anybody has any insight. How much can you cut before refills? How much to refill o2 and acy? Will it cut as thick stock as a regular full size shop set? Any other in sight. Thanks in advance.




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T_Bone

03-10-2004 18:17:51




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 Re: Back-pack cutting torch outfit in reply to Harrison, 03-09-2004 20:00:59  
Hi Harrision,

"B"Acet tanks work well for being portable and for both cutting and brazing. Good guess would be about 1-1/2hrs total use time at 4psi/Acet, 20psi/Oxy.

At the above pressures there is no concern about over drawing the Acetylene cyl for either cutting or brazing. I've went thru 1000's of cylinders over the past 35yrs for both applications.

Never exceed 15psi Acetylene for any reason.

Cost effective? Nope! But it's beats dragging larger cylinders up on the roof!

For normal shop use get 100cft Acetylene and 200cft Oxygen size cylinders.

T_Bone

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Jim/41_9N

03-10-2004 13:05:15




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 Re: Back-pack cutting torch outfit in reply to Harrison, 03-09-2004 20:00:59  
Hi,

I would be more concerned about withdrawal rates for flame cutting with small tanks. For safety sake, withdrawal rates from acetylene cylinders should not be more than 1/7 the cylinders capacity per hour. This is called the rule of seven. Withdrawal rates greater than that can cause the acetone that the acetylene is absorbed into, to be withdrawn from the cylinder. This can and will cause flashback. It also leaves less acetone in the cylinder where it belongs, helping to keep the acetylene separated and its pressure down below 30 psi throughout the fiber. At pressures greater than 30 psi, acetylene can ignite in the cylinder, without the presence of oxygen. I know acetylene cylinders generally show 250 psig or more on a full cylinder, but again the acetone and the filler material actually keep the pressure in the filler low.

To determine safe withdrawal rates for acetylene using the rule of seven, simply divide the cylinders capacity by seven. Withdrawal rates should not exceed that number per hour. B size cylinders (40cf), should not have withdrawal rates greater than 5.7 cfh. Most welding tips, never mind flame cutting tips have withdrawal rates greater than that. The manufacturer of your torch & tips can tell you withdrawal rates for each tip size. Your cylinder size should be matched to your withdrawal rates.

Thickness of material cut is determined by cutting tip size. Guess what, thicker material needs larger tips = more cfh withdrawal.

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Ben in KY

03-10-2004 08:26:07




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 Re: Back-pack cutting torch outfit in reply to Harrison, 03-09-2004 20:00:59  
The small "backpack" units have about 1/2 hour cutting time and maybe 1 hour or more of brazing time. I do not recommend them unless you have a real need, such as silver soldering HVAC lines in an attic or something like that.



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Fawteen

03-10-2004 05:20:49




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 Re: Back-pack cutting torch outfit in reply to Harrison, 03-09-2004 20:00:59  
With the right tip, regulators, etc. a "backpack" unit will do anything a full size will do, just not for as long.

Any particular reason you want a backpack? It costs nearly as much to fill those mini-bottles, and you won't get a tenth the work out of them that you will a full size unit.



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Harrison

03-12-2004 06:25:09




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 Re: Re: Back-pack cutting torch outfit in reply to Fawteen, 03-10-2004 05:20:49  
Thanks T-bone and all who responded.The reason I was looking at the small tank setup is for ease of using in the field.I use the large tanks in the shop, but it takes two people to load and i worry I could nick a hose loading.I looked into medium sized tanks and back-pack set-ups trying to find a less labor intensive way to get the torch out to the scrap pile when I need a part heated or cut off.

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T_Bone

03-12-2004 10:49:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Back-pack cutting torch outfit in reply to Harrison, 03-12-2004 06:25:09  
Hey Harrison...send me a e-mail



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