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Don

03-08-2004 18:29:43




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Anyone else receive a letter about the air compressor settlement. Seems that compressor makers were overrating their machines. If you have bought one from 1996 to 2004 check out this website.

www.aircompressorsettlement.com




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William Wright

03-22-2004 05:15:06




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
To whom it may concern,

I do not have the compressor's listed in your letter.

Please send any information on Porter Cable modle number CFFN25ON, rated a 2 horsepower. This is the unit I own.

Thank you
William



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otto winter

03-17-2004 08:27:08




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
I wish to make a claim



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John Keller

03-16-2004 18:05:57




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
I have bought a Campbell Hausfeld 5,hp with 20 gallon tank made by Fabrique/fabricado that I believe is part of this settlement and would like to know if it is .It is about 5 years old. John kELLER



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C.Thomas Miller

03-15-2004 12:22:57




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john Porra

03-15-2004 11:22:09




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
campbell hausfeld bought 2001
peak 7hp
VT6275



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john porra

05-17-2004 13:47:32




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 Re: Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to john Porra, 03-15-2004 11:22:09  
What do we do now?



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Allen Wood

03-15-2004 10:00:52




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
I own 2 air compreesors one big and one little one



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RAY MORTALONI

03-15-2004 09:54:38




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
Name:Ray Mortaloni
Phone: (562) 402-3916
Mailadress: 19913 Corby ave
Purchase:6/2002
Brand:Coleman Powermate
Model:CS0170410
Serial:Y15213944
Retal: Cosco
Location:Norwalk



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John Boyd

03-15-2004 07:51:31




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
How do I file a claim?



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Konni Marie Francis

03-15-2004 07:09:57




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
I am responding to the air compressor settlement.
I purchased a Campbell Hausfied air compressor on
April 04, 2003.



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andy jeffcoat

03-14-2004 19:40:21




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
please notify me of the part i can participate in if i am eligible



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Earl Dickson

03-14-2004 16:03:33




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
I wish to make a claim. I need help in doing so please e-mail back and let me know what to do.



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mbork

03-14-2004 18:40:49




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 Re: Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Earl Dickson, 03-14-2004 16:03:33  
I want to submit a claim but need help to do so. Please e-mail me with details. Thank-you



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Billy Richards

03-14-2004 15:14:08




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
When is it going to stop! How many manufactors mis-represent their product? I don't use my Black Max that much but if I bought a product because of what it claims, I expect the same. So go for it.



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mary jarrett

03-14-2004 13:03:28




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  

THe motor size said one thing and when useing it I start seem that it would not run long before it would stop.



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SisterJeanKettell

03-13-2004 16:15:26




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
I have one and did not know 'til now!??



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CNKS

03-09-2004 18:15:37




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
The settlement has no effect on me. About 3 years ago I bought a Campbell Hausfield "7hp" 60 gal compressor that supposedly puts out 17 cfm at 100psi. I knew the 7 hp was wrong, in part because I read this board. Prior to that I wondered why the hp of compressors had increased dramatically, while the SCFM did not. (I also have a true 1 hp compressor that I bought in 1984, it puts out about 40 SCFM at 90 psi, or used to before I wore it out). As for the newer compressor, it was the 17 cfm I was interested in, probably somewhat high, but the compressor works for me. My compressor is on the litigation list, I doubt if I respond, because I knew pretty much what I was getting when I purchased it, considerably less than 7 useable HP. I find the whole thing rather amusing, as the inflated HP thing has been going on for several years now, and the "plaintiffs" did not know that when they bought their compressors? Typical uninformed buyers. Or perhaps they knew and wanted to raise a stink about it.

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Scott

03-09-2004 19:55:44




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 Re: Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to CNKS, 03-09-2004 18:15:37  
More that likely the lawyers just saw a big payday and went looking for someone to file suit! I see the lawyers get a multimillion dollar fee and we get maybe $50.



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Pete

03-09-2004 14:42:55




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
Which brings up the question of the CFM ratings @ a given air pressure. Just how reliable are they? Any thoughts about whether the manufacturers are exagerating the numbers there as well? Pete



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Rod (NH)

03-09-2004 16:50:24




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 Re: Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Pete, 03-09-2004 14:42:55  
Hi Pete,

I'll give you my thoughts:

I can't say that I have noticed any specific exaggeration of compressor capacity ratings (e.g. XX cfm @ YY psig). There is some confusion with those ratings but no exaggeration as far as I know. It's the HP ratings that seem to be inflated beyond reason. Perhaps that's because the tendency for many is to simply equate more HP with more performance in general. That's not always true. The problem appears to be in the under 10 HP category where there are a mulitude of different maufacturers in rather fierce cost competition for the home-user market.

The actual cfm capacity rating is the best way to evaluate what you are getting for your money (quality and longevity not considered). That rating is usually given as so many cfm or scfm at some pressure. It is importrant to recognize exactly the terminology here because all is not consistent among manufacturers. For example, scfm should never be used as a rating since it is dependant on machine location. The same machine at high altitudes will perform significantly different from the same one at sea level. The psig in the rating is the discharge pressure that the compressor is operating at when the cfm is determined. That is usually taken to be at both 90 psig and 40 psig. The 90 psig rating point is the important one because your tank pressure will likely be 90 psig or more for most common pneumatic tasks. The cfm is always the cubic feet per minute of air at the temperature and atmospheric pressure at the inlet of the compressor. For a reciprocating compressor, the cfm rating is a function of the piston displacement, the operating speed and the volumetric efficiency of the machine at the stated discharge pressure.

Pneumatic tool ratings are another story and these are necessary to fully evaluate if the compressor can adequately supply any specfic tool or task for a reasonable time. Those ratings can be quite confusing if one is not familiar with the terminology and standard usage. Unfortunately the rating terms are sometimes different (or at least incomplete) between different manufacturers. They are usually also to a different baseline than the compressor ratings are. The area is ripe for claims that are, at a minimum, misleading. And many are, typically resulting in an underrating of the tool relative to its' real air consumption. I don't know if this is due to technical ignorance on the part of the marketing teams or a deliberate attempt to mislead. Perhaps some of both, especially in the home market categories. Certainly, the use of terms like average cfm or cfm without a throttle pressure being stated should be a reason for caution in using any number describing the tool. Disappointment can result when the tool cannot be adequately supplied by the compressor even though the "numbers" would seem to indicate that it could. Again, buyer beware.

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Pete

03-09-2004 22:36:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Rod (NH), 03-09-2004 16:50:24  
Rod, thanks for the cogent commentary and explanation. Pete



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Rod (NH)

03-08-2004 19:51:08




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
Hi Don,

Interesting link. Thanks. That marketing hype has been going on for some time. Sears has been doing something similar for years with their "developed HP" crap. I am not sure how it will all finally turn out. Usually class action suits like that are a gold mine for the trial lawyers but not much ever finds its' way to the aggrieved consumer. If I were a member of the "class", I would not hold my breath for any real compensation. The best thing in such situations, as always, is buyer beware. A 115 volt motor running at about 15 amps is simply not capable of developing 5 HP except for a fraction of a second. It takes 230v and 20+ amps to do it for any productive length of time. A fact of technical life. I have noticed on some of the motor nameplates in stores like Home Depot that the HP entry is either blank or has an "S" stamped in it, presumably standing for "special". It's special all right. Hopefully, at least the result will be to stop the misrepresentation and rate to accepted standards for continuous running HP.

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Gary Schafer

03-09-2004 06:58:55




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 Re: Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Rod (NH), 03-08-2004 19:51:08  
115 volts at 15 amps is 1725 watts. There are about 750 watts to a horsepower. That would be a draw of about 2.3 horsepower from the line.
That must be a mighty efficient motor! :>)

Regards
Gary



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Craig

03-09-2004 09:39:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Gary Schafer, 03-09-2004 06:58:55  
in fact, it appears that those 5 HP motors are 200% efficient. for years scientist have tried to break the laws of thermodynamics. apparently they just needed the help of compressor manufacturers (or at least their marketing departments) to do it. My guess is that they put one of those "fuel saver" magnets on the intake to the compressor, to align the air molecules so they compress better. :)

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

03-08-2004 19:00:17




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 Re: Air compressor settlement in reply to Don, 03-08-2004 18:29:43  
I received one. For the last few years, manufacturers of home use type air compressors have been a little creative (intentionally misleading) on the labeling of their horsepower. They were giving the ability to do work of the compressor and the tank full of air combined, rather than of the motor.



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