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Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog?

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John

03-07-2004 22:30:55

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OK. I am turning to you gentlemen for some support here. I live in a small country subdivision of 13, five+ acre lots. Some time ago, our neighbors moved to the city and in came a fresh family who then had a baby and bought a yellow lab pup. They actually live two doors down from me. I saw her walk the pup only once and noticed it spent all day in a fenced in backyard. I am tempted to color your opinion of them by describing some of the things that go on down there, but I won't go into that. At any rate, both work during the day, and the dog gets no exercise or attention and begins to bark almost daily from 330pm til whenever they pull in the drive (usually after 530pm). It is a monotonous, lonely two-note chain of barking that lasts up to 2-3 hours. As I write this, the power is out due to winds, and they have fired up their genset, lit half the bulbs in the house, and the dog is barking. Note that it is after midnite. I consider this rude and unacceptable. I have called them several times in the past asking if they would please do something about the barking as my wife works odd hours and needs her sleep. She claims to be sorry and stops the dog, but it resumes the next day. I just knocked on their door (1245am) and spoke with him asking politely as I could to please do something about the barking. He began to sweat and said something about a rude comment I had made to some other neighbors about their dogs (which I cannot deny, as they are almost as offensive as these clowns and I lost my cool one evening). I told him that that was a separate matter but did confirm it was a problem as well. He said he did not condone it and shut the door as he hid behind it. Now I am not an intimidating fellow by any means, so I have to conclude I am surrounded by inconsiderate idiots. Maybe I just needed to vent here, but I would also like your thoughts on what to do from here considering the following facts: 1) they are at this point unwilling and/or unable to control the dog's barking; 2) they likely think I am crazy and potentially violent; and 3) I would rather not shoot or otherwise harm the animal (or them of course cause there are laws against that). By the way, this dog was happy and confident when I saw him as a pup and is now a timid, unsocialized adult lab. What a shame.

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Roger

03-09-2004 19:30:57

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

John,
One problem is the neighbor. Remember Buddha said the only problem that you have any control over is the desire to not have problems. Or in your case the problem of wanting the dog to quit barking. If you can ignore the barking you win. You have gained control over your little area.
Easy said, hard done. After 3 years I am trying to gain control over the desire to strangle several of my co-
workers.
roger

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Mark

03-10-2004 09:26:21

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to Roger , 03-09-2004 19:30:57

Patience, my man, patience.

I'm in a sweat right now. My really nice (nice neighbor type nice) next door neighbor is getting married and just moved out. I saw the new neighbor yesterday scoping the place.....my fingers are crossed.

Mark

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Mark

03-09-2004 06:02:52

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

I answered you before but I just got the perfect answer..... ..... ..... ...print all these responses and your question and put in the Mail to them..... just maybe they'll get the hint..... ....naw....that's wishing too much.

Mark

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Jokn

03-09-2004 16:48:16

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to Mark, 03-09-2004 06:02:52

Mark, I had actually considered that but have decided that they would likely not have any revelations about the situation and would probably consider it a threat given some of the recommendations made here. These will not be the last fools I will have to suffer in life, so I have chosen to use them as an exercise in tolerance and to otherwise ignore their existence. If I did not respect my other neighbors, the 6am chainsawing and other things I could dream of would be very satisfying indeed. I have a modified 372 Husqvarna saw that would be more than adequate to get the point across.

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Mark

03-09-2004 19:18:36

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Re: Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to Jokn, 03-09-2004 16:48:16

I live in the country. The property next door came up for sale and I declined for several reasons. Biggest mistake of my life. Had a pest move in and fought with him for several years and he moved to the back, leaving all his "industry" and hired hands next door to me(200' from the house).....tonight the hired hand (really nice guy....real quiet and nice) is moving out to get married....someone else walked thru the place...can't wait to get into the first tangle....knowing it will come.

If the saw has a muffler take it off. It is amazing what those things can do with sound when it is not diffused even with something as simple as a screen wire...wide open it is deafening.

Hope things work out for you. I really hated to hear your story as it is told too many times and the results are so sad. Life could be so enjoyable if it weren't for the inconsiderate.

Best,

Mark

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John

03-10-2004 06:42:02

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog in reply to Mark, 03-09-2004 19:18:36

That reminds me of another neighbor a few houses up the road. They bought a 6 acre lot and built a 500K house on it. Really nice and everything is maintained and manicured to a tee. A few years later, a lot outside of but adjacent to the subdivision went on the market for a mere fraction of what they had in their property. It was right next to their lot, and they did not buy it. It sold and the new owner pulled an old mobile home in right up against the property line. We began to hear handgun fire around midnite (sometimes even later) on the weekends, and it turns out he had a drinking problem and loved to step out on the back stoop and unload his Glock into the bank. A few clips and he was satisfied. The blasts were deafening I am sure to my neighbors. The law could do little unless he was shooting across or onto their property. My neighbors were devastated. The gunfire has stopped for now, but the trailer is so close it appears to be on their property. I guess they have learned to live with it.

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tim in wi

03-09-2004 04:34:20

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

i live 7 mi out of town have 5 ac neighbor has sheep & dogs to work them. if i move outside bark nonstop even tryed to round up my dogs haha got used to them -them to us 8yrs now still bark but i dont hear them kinda like wife with sat chores gl tim

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Tree Farmer

03-08-2004 20:13:33

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

I'd like to take the dogs side on this issue. All dogs are pack animals, genetically related to the Timber Wolf, and need companionship. The owners apparently aren't providing that. The dog is barking because that's what dogs do, just like cats meow, etc. I have my second yellow lab and admit to being a "dog lover". She's good on birds, but more importantly a great pet and companion. Man's Best Friend is probably more loyal and dedicated to you then most people friends. They don't care what you look like or who you are, they are just happy every time they see you. I can't add much except to say that our son solved the barking problem with his Golden Retriever with the use of a Bark Collar. Perhaps you could suggest it to your neighbor who is at fault, not the dog.

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Hal/WA

03-08-2004 18:41:50

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

First, I suggest that you research your local laws about barking dogs. Not all areas have barking dog ordinances, but many do. If there is such a law, find out what agency is supposed to enforce it, and calmly talk to their people and explain the problem. A lot of times, when an animal control officer or a cop contacts a dog owner about a barking problem and notifies them that they WILL be fined unless they correct the problem, the dog owner will do what is necessary. But first you have to have the law on your side. You may need to be persistant--the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

What about the other neighbors? Aren't they bothered, or are they away during the daytime? I would ask them. You will have more clout in numbers.

I am sure you have thought about tossing the dog a weiner laced with rat poison. This is effective at removing the problem, but is probably illegal and could get you into a lot of trouble with the law. Since you have complained to the dog owner, he would undoubtedly suspect you.

I have never come up with a sure-fire way of getting a dog to be quiet, even with my own. I had a nice Lab that I tried everything with, including a bark collar that shocked him every time he said anything. I could always tell the exact day when the battery went dead in the collar, because he would bark at any noise that night. He never bothered my neighbors enough for them to contact me, but he woke ME up many times and just when I was about asleep again he would sound off again. I hated to do it, because in most respects he was a good, nice dog, but I finally put a bullet through his head.

Good luck with this annoying problem, but don't get yourself in trouble.

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03-08-2004 18:30:18

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

Get their phone number and call them everytime the dog is barking no matter what the time is.
I have done this and it dont take to many 2oclock in the morning wake up calls to get your point accross.

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I like that one....

03-09-2004 02:35:00

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to JF, 03-08-2004 18:30:18

yes sirree

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Butcher

03-08-2004 18:05:17

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

Ilove dogs but,around my parts problem dogs get a high power traquilizer. If the owners can not take care of a DAMNED dog just think of how their kids are going to turn out. Either go over there and shoot the dog, call the humane society, or knuckle the nieghbor.
It's no fun to put down a dog if it is someones pet but, sometimes the animal is better off.

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John

03-08-2004 14:18:44

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

My wife and I have lived here for 10 years and now feel that we should have bought more land. But how much is enough, especially considering that you can't live in the country until you own 640 acres! And we could not begin to afford that.

Our immediate neighbors are fantastic, and we love them and care for their animals and property when they are away. Those adjacent to them are morons, plain and simple, and I could give many an example to illustrate my conviction of this. They are from the city originally and are what my friend refers to as the "horsey set". Nothing wrong with that, but this area of NC is increasingly home to folks with more money than sense. In each case, the husband travels and leaves an apparently timid woman behind with barking dogs as her sense of security. My discussion with one husband last evening cast some doubt on the existence of an actual adult representative in the household. I have to admit that I held that suspicion for some time now. COnfirmed!

Our five acre lot is now valued at 90K. A 10 acre lot down the road is selling for 150K. ANd we are 20-30 minutes from the nearest small town. I would sell out and buy 50 acres in rural Virginia (not country quite at only 50 acres, but I am trying) if I did not know that the "different town, same story" scenario could easily apply. I am old enough to know that there are truly whackos everywhere as Jared pointed out. I can and must become more tolerant of fools and will have to really work on this. There is plenty of opportunity for practice without leaving the neighborhood.

My immediate neighbors know me as someone with an antique tractor problem who is more likely than not to mow their lawn in their absence, to grade their gravel drive when it needs it, to collect and hold their mail for them without asking, and to care for their animals as I care for mine. The other inconsiderate folks have seen these acts and may have experienced them prior to the problems. Yet I am known by them as the "aggressor" so to speak. And they are in the right and have done nothing wrong. Looking on the bright side, the chances of them knocking on my door to borrow something are virtually nil, so I really do not have to interact with them once I get past their lack of consideration for their animals and others. Wish me luck. I feel much better already.

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Mark

03-08-2004 11:37:34

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

I had to get in on this.

I left town because of a barking Collie and an enranged owner. Seems as mentioned herein, the people whose dogs annoy the neighborhood are the people who are the most resentful and yes, YOU are the aggrssor, they have done nothing wrong (LOL).

We moved out on small areage, but the nearest neighbor was 1 mile away and had no dog...Great. Told the wife we had 10 years. Believe it or not we have had 25, many more folks here now but things not too bad..... (yet).

I have had other problems however and the chainsaw on Sunday morning syndrome works.

I really don't know what can be done about this problem as it can really get on your nerves and make a "beast" out of a peaceful man. Not just the dogs, but the whole thoughtless neighbor thing.

But I know I've lost the battle, when I go to a really reclusive place where it is really quiet and after a time I am looking for someone to talk to. Must be nuts.

A neighbor was trying to fish in his pond Sunday. An adjacent neighbor breeds lots of dogs....a wolf pack was at the fence barking at the fishermen. This went on for an hour or so...I was far enough away, and busy with something, so, at least for the time being it wasn't bothering me. The owners house looked deserted.

A shot rang out. Huh! Where'd that come from. Walked over the bushes to have a look see and the owner and family popped out of the house and rounded up the brood and put them in the house. It got very quiet and the fisherman and his family returned to fishing in their pond on a beautiful Sunday afternoon..No there weren't any dead dogs/pups..... ..... ..... ..... yet.

Mark

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Too Rude, but it works

03-08-2004 08:29:58

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

A friend of mine shot his neighbors dog because it jumped the fence into his own yard. He spent the night in jail and had to hand over his Winchester 30-30. A small price t pay for piece and quiet. Presto--no more dog problems until they get another dog.

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hjp

03-08-2004 14:42:56

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to Too Rude, but it works, 03-08-2004 08:29:58

should of used a bat, they are cheep at lawn sales

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John

03-08-2004 06:35:19

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

Thanks to everyone! Jared, you are a wise man, indeed, and I appreciate your counsel. I am blown away, so to speak, by your insight and wisdom. It is hard to imagine them letting me walk the dog, but maybe I can get there in time. I wish to thank everyone here for the responses! I am going to go on about my affairs and let things settle down. I am reassured to see that most folks here picked up on the lack of consideration. In the end, the dog is the real victim, here. Unfortunately, this is an all too common scenario.

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another trick- it works.

03-08-2004 10:45:43

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-08-2004 06:35:19

feed the dog a treat mixed with some salt peter.
it will strip it's bark for a while. won't do no harm neither. mud

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T_Bone

03-08-2004 08:42:44

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-08-2004 06:35:19

Hi John,

My son tried the shock collars for the first time and they worked well for his three dogs. Took about a week to train them not to bark. Thats been 6mths ago without another training session. Then they started building a new home beside him and he had to use the collar one day last week and the problem stopped.

Our county animal control gets two complaints about barking you "have" too rent there collar for $20/mth or pay a $50 fine.

Our neighbors black Lab had to learn the hard way with the new county collar. One month and no more barking. Well almost no barking but not the consistant all night barking.

I've always had Labs and have never used shock collars but from the above results, I would now use them if I had that problem.

There about $50 for the auto-collar, I think? (Cabella's), and that also might be a cheap investment rather than fight with the neighbors.

A bad neighbor can cause many more headaches than a barking dog. I've been that route years ago and it's not fun and I would glady donate $50 to the cause rather than get the cops involved again.

T_Bone

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Jared in Vt

03-08-2004 05:51:27

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

John, Sorry about all the hastle. Sounds like you are sort of at the end of your rope. There is a very important factor here John that you have to really concentrate on; people are mindless fool's when it comes to pets. All the common sence and normalcy runs away. They can't begin to appproach this in any decent, considerate way, because they don't see or hear the problem. Pets are a reflection of the owners, so these folks think they have barfy the wonderdog. You get all wound up and expect them to respond in some normal, considerate way and they think that you are the problem. So you have to back up a long way, relax and approach it with less emotion and more analysis. Make pals with the dog and the neighbors. Feed it bisquets and take it for walks, try to set an example for the owners. Involve your other neighbors, have them call this neighbor and the dog police too. Get a "white noise" machine to play in your home at sleep times. Move the heck out of there to something more rural. (Remember, thoughtless whako's are everywhere.) Be real cool and do not give any neighbor cause to make you the problum and remove the responsibility from the neighbor's noise. You can do the pellet gun thing, but it really sets you up again to be the fall guy. If you do this, get yourself a sniper manuel and read it first. Not one of those; "...there I was, alone, nothing but a loin cloth and a K-bar..." The dog police will come down on you like a dark night if they figure out you're popping the pooch. Look at the big picture here John, and take it easy. Don't let this issue rule your life, it's much too short. Good Luck, Jared

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Dave H (MI)

03-08-2004 11:31:23

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to Jared in Vt, 03-08-2004 05:51:27

Agree 100%. Personally, I run a fan in the bedroom and sleep like a baby.

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CrazyinOklahoma

03-08-2004 05:43:23

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

What you need is to move back to the city where you belong. Oh yeah you are still in the city (5 acres), GET REAL. You are not in the country just the surburbs, go back to where you were. The country means you live on at least a section (640 acres) of land without neighbors.

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03-08-2004 18:34:07

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to CrazyinOklahoma, 03-08-2004 05:43:23

How did you come up with that number,lmao

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varmint

03-08-2004 07:06:38

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to CrazyinOklahoma, 03-08-2004 05:43:23

Oh....'I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee a place where even squares can have a ball'.....Doo Wah....that kinda country?

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John

03-08-2004 05:46:15

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to CrazyinOklahoma, 03-08-2004 05:43:23

Thanks for the clarification.

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Call the Movers!

03-08-2004 05:22:56

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

John;
To answer your title question...yes, I think you are crazy. If barking dogs bother you to that extant, I would suggest moving away from them. Living in the country comes with the same degree of tolerant behavior as living in the city. If the sounds of the country (barking dogs, or mooing cows, diesel tractors, etc.) effect you to this degree, I would plan on relocating to where those hideous sounds are not available. Just hope that your reputation in neighbor relations doesn't follow you along...like a lil' yellow pup!

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John

03-08-2004 05:44:52

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to Call the Movers!, 03-08-2004 05:22:56

I love this response! I appreciate your candor. You do make some good points. OK, one good point. But my tolerance is exhausted. I would be willing to trade this barking dog for a diesel tractor and up to two mooing cows. Please contact me if interested.

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hay

03-08-2004 04:59:04

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

i have 6 dogs in the immediate area around me. the noise is deafening. this WAS country at one time until all the city folks and their noisemakers moved around me. between the dogs, atv's, dirt bikes, car boom boxes, fireworks, gun shooting, and one neighbor's loud harley motorcycle, there is very very little peace and quiet here. maybe i'll join them and get a flock of peacocks and roosters. what the heck, if u can't lick'em, join 'em.

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03-08-2004 07:12:19

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to hay, 03-08-2004 04:59:04

Yeah, all that you said. Sonetimes though, when I'm working late on a repair or new project, I'm sure that the wail of my 9" grinder gets me even!

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Van in AR

03-08-2004 06:59:26

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to hay, 03-08-2004 04:59:04

Get about 30 Giunna hens, the most anoying thing on earth. But if someone comes up they dont know, you will know in a second.

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Bark-Bark

03-08-2004 04:44:22

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

If you can't lick-em, join-em. If you don't want a barking dog of your own then make a recording of their dog barking and play it back over outside speakers directed at their house. I went through what you are experiencing and it can be very bothersome in the middle of the night. It took all of two nights to resolve the issue after all other methods had been tried.

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KURT

03-08-2004 02:39:28

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

Yep, I have dog problems too. My one neighbor across the road lets his Doberman run all over sometimes. And my neighbor to the north of me has 4 golden labs, all grown and she breeds one of them every summer. and these dogs bark all the time when they are outside, my other neighbor that is closer to the 4 dogs then I am made the comment that "those dogs might end up dead one day by mistake", I used to like dogs until I moved out to where I am now. My recommendation is to get a BB gun and peg that dog every time it yelps, and/or call animal control enough times and he will have to do something about that $*&^ dog. GOOD LUCK

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Wayne

03-07-2004 23:24:48

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Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 22:30:55

As much as I dislike involving Animal Control, the Sheriffs Dept, or whatever Government orginization might come into play here, in anything, I have to say this. It seems like you have done everything in your power to be neighborly and to handle this problem one-on-one like a decent person and an adult should. Problem is they don't want to be decent and neighborly and adults about the matter and take care of the problem like they should, be it taking the dog inside or giving the poor animal to somebody that might actually care for him so he wouldn't be so miserable all the time. That said I believe your only option left is to place a call to the proper authorities. It's better for you to call and let them handle this matter before the neighbors do because they decide to believe #2 or before it's allowed to get to the point that #3 sems like the only option left and you get yourself in trouble. As a dog owner I hate, first of all, to see an animal penned up and left alone to be miserable all day. If they don't have time for the animal then they should give it to somebody who does. These are the kinds of people animal control need to be looking for instead of hassling people needlessly over "BS" like I've seen around here. Beyond that the owner of an animal is liable/responsible for anything the animal does so if the animal is disturbing the peace then they are responsible for it. Like I said, I'm the last one to suggest calling the cops in on something so simple that people should be able to handle between themselves, but some people out there this day and age are simply so inconsiderate that no matter how nice and neighborly and adult you try to be with them, the only thing they are gonna understand is a badge and the authority that goes with it. Just my .02 and good luck getting things worked out.

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Pitch

03-08-2004 02:19:46

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Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to Wayne, 03-07-2004 23:24:48

Do they never have the dog inside with them? My dogs stay in a penned area (60x80) from 630am to about 530 pm and occasionally they go on a barking spree also. That is just the nature of the beast. My dogs are brought in the minute I get home from work and spend all the time that someone is home with the family.If these folks never do anyhting with this dog they really don't deserve to own one as a dog is a pack animal and will go mad if left alone constantly. Unfortunately unless they are physically mistreating the animal I really doubt that animal control will do anything at all. On 5 acre lots the decibal level of a dog barking is not going to loud enough for the police to do much more than ask them to try and quiet the dog. On a note aside you said that the man was intimidated by your presence and refered to another instance of your unhappiness with another neighbor.perhaps you should try a different approach or maybe you will just have to learn to tolerate things that displease you. I had to reach a negotiated settlment with my next door neigbor that I would not run my chainsaw at first light every sunday morning if he would prevent his kids from riding there unmuffled dirt biks and ATV's on my property line after dark in the evenings every night all summer long.

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tools

03-08-2004 05:06:35

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Re: Re: Re: Am I crazy about my neighbor's dog? in reply to Pitch, 03-08-2004 02:19:46

I'd call the Sheriff and file a disturbing the peace report. While I agree that there is not likely anything useful they'll do, they'll also get tired of you calling everytime they're constantly barking past a certain point in the evening.

Having a couple attempts of resolving this on the record isn't a bad thing.

I'd also document every appropriate interaction between you and them. You said you live in a subidivision, do you have CC&R's? Check them out carefully. Are you within city limits (you might have mentioned this, can't remember), if so, check out ordnances, etc. May already be something in place to help you out.

Something to keep in mind, albeit being a bit paranoid here, is that assault is making someone "feel" threatened. No physical contact ever need take place, so be careful. Even if you don't think you're being intimidating... Practical application, be VERY annoying to them, ie call EVERYTIME the dog is bothering you, just have a witness or do it on the phone and be polite but unyielding.

Last, should have been first, do you like this dog? Ask him for it. Especially a lab, it's never too late to socialize him.

I live even farther out, on 35 acres, sometimes that's even too close. It's a shame.

Tools Danford

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