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MikeH-Tx

09-06-2000 06:43:56




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I have occasional use for a generator, but haven't needed one enough to buy a good one yet. I was considering one of the 12V inverters that plug into a (tractor) battery and provide power from there. However, price to wattage tradeoff only makes those look attractive at 300W or so. Then I found an ad for an alternator that can be attached (?) to the tractor fan belt and provide 2KW. I need about 1KW to run a skil saw, so this would be about right.

Anyone with experience with this? I have heard about using car alternators for 110V for 20 years or so, but never actually saw it done. Price is about the same as a comparable 2KW Coleman unit, so am not sure whether a separate generator/engine would be best, or having a power plug mounted to the tractor. Sounds kind of slick to have it be part of the tractor, but would obviously need the tractor every time a generator was needed.

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Beitz

09-16-2000 03:59:49




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 Re: generator needed in reply to MikeH-Tx, 09-06-2000 06:43:56  
Go to an old farm sale and find a gen. with a bad engine.... Make a bracket to mount on your tractor...



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ltf in

09-07-2000 21:12:41




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 Re: generator needed in reply to MikeH-Tx, 09-06-2000 06:43:56  
Just throwing an idea in for consideration. If you only need to occasionally have portable power why not go to a pawn shop and buy a couple of battery operated tools such as a drill and a rotary saw. Remove the batteries and make up a drop cord that will fit the tools in place of the battery. Attach alligator clips to the other end of you extension cord and clip these to the tractor battery. You will be impressed with how well these tools will run on a good 12 source and you can run them all day by occasionally cranking the tractor and charging the tractor battery.

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AD

09-06-2000 11:12:10




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 Re: generator needed in reply to MikeH-Tx, 09-06-2000 06:43:56  
I was over at friends the other day looking at his northern book and it seems like there was another generator available that could be ran off the pto and had more KW and was cheaper. I agree this setup would be handy but a dedicated unit would be better at times and not tie up the tractor.



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MikeH-Tx

09-06-2000 14:48:12




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 Re: Re: generator needed in reply to AD, 09-06-2000 11:12:10  
Yeah, I saw that too. 12KW for $1799, pto driven. Decent price, but much more generator than I have in mind,and therefore too expensive. That one would run the whole house. A year ago, it might have sounded like a good investment, but don't think we are headed for a y2K+1 problem.

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AD

09-06-2000 19:08:55




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 Re: Re: Re: generator needed in reply to MikeH-Tx, 09-06-2000 14:48:12  
There was also one similar to the one you posted that needed a 16 hP engine to run but with a little shade tree engineering it could be hooked to a pto. It could be built into a cage and attached to the 3 point hitch and to the pto and used where needed and then stored seperate when not in use. Good luck trying to find what you need without paying an arm and a leg for it.



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Adam

09-07-2000 09:46:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: generator needed in reply to AD, 09-06-2000 19:08:55  
A friend of mine said that a ford truck alternator can be used to produce three phase power, but you would need to remove diodes, and build a voltage regulator to mimic the field voltage in a charge system. It seems pretty simple and cheap to do, only a transformer may be required to step up the 3 phase output. Depending on your skill in electronics that may be the way to go. To run a saw or something, you just split off one of your phases for single phase. If buying a alternator for your pto, I would recommend that because you never know how much power you may use in the future, and may regret buying just a small alternator. Good luck

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MikeH-Tx

09-07-2000 14:53:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: generator needed in reply to Adam, 09-07-2000 09:46:34  
An alternator on the pto shaft sounds good, but it would require either another 12V battery or a connection to the tractor battery. Do-able, but inconvenient.

I have to think on this a bit. I haven't seen a solution I like yet.



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Adam

09-07-2000 16:44:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: generator needed in reply to MikeH-Tx, 09-07-2000 14:53:34  
Im sorry Mike, but for your PTO I meant a generator (I call them alternators). It may sound like a costly way to go, but someday you may want to power something bigger, or run your house, and then you will not have enough power. An air compressor, for example, needs about 10 KW to start.

As far as the alternator is concerned, I suggest rewiring it to produce three phase. To do that, you need to pull apart the alternator (Ford alternators work the best for this)and remove the diodes, and the regulator. The wires going to the diodes are then routed outside, and become your HOT wires. The stator terminal on the back of the alternator becomes the Y common. In order to produce maximum power, you must measure the voltage on the field as it charges a battery, and then build a feedback circuit that will energize the field without burning up the alternator. A setup like this could produce 70 volts approximately, so you would need to buy a step up transformer. They are faily cheap (Square D, or Cuttler Hammer) and double the voltage. That is the only drawback, but it should produce 600- 1200 watts. You may not like this system, but I find it quite useful for the three phase it produces.

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Grove r

09-07-2000 17:22:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: generator needed in reply to Adam , 09-07-2000 16:44:52  
Hi, Mike, can I add my .02$ worth?, if you do any welding, how about a welder, like a lincoln or something, mounted on a trailer gives portability and remote power as needed, plus welding, I just bought a good used unit for twelve hundred, might be a tad pricey, but, versitile. Just a thought, lots of luck G.



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Corky

09-08-2000 03:14:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: generator needed in reply to Grove r, 09-07-2000 17:22:42  
Mike I agree with grover you might want to consider a welder generator on a trailer.I bought a hobart for under $1000 With it i can weld or run the generator as soon as i find a pump i'm adding a compressor for air.It sure makes it nice if you break something in the field.just my 2 cents



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