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Bob

03-05-2004 06:45:20




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I've got a septic tank on the place that I want to keep in good working order, and wondered about some of the chemical treatments (Rid-X, etc.) I've seen advertised. Does anyone have some good advice on what works and what doesn't to dissolve as much of the solids as possible, keep the laterals free of roots, etc? How often should they be treated, etc. The tank is an 1100 gallon unit with what I'll describe as a separator plate about 3/4 of the way towards the exit end of the tank. From what I can see the separator keeps the solids from getting near the tank discharge hole that connects to the laterals.

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kyhayman

03-05-2004 19:43:02




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 Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Bob, 03-05-2004 06:45:20  
Between my mom and dads place (tank in place since 1975, pumped 1 time), my house (twin tanks, put in in 79, never pumped), and at the farm (4 tanks on 4 trailers put in in the 60's, never pumped) I've got a 'few' tanks.

None of them have ever had anything fancy added to treat it. We always put toilet paper in the the toilet, use washing powder, bleach, etc. Everything the 'experts' say dont do. Mom raise 3 boys and we ran a dairy for years, sometimes she would run the washer all day long, bleach on every load of whites. Only reason they had the tanked pumped when they did was the electric company dropped and excavator through a lateral line and they had to rebuild part of the drain field.

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Bus Driver

03-05-2004 17:46:26




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 Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Bob, 03-05-2004 06:45:20  
In NC, the Department of Enviroinmental Health issues permits for septic tank systems and usually does the design work for each site where such a system is to be installed. They say no additives are needed or recommended. We have one 53 years old, no additives, never pumped.



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RayP(MI)

03-06-2004 17:41:16




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 Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Bus Driver, 03-05-2004 17:46:26  
Agree with busdriver - No additives needed. Bacteria will multiply exponentially, and even if you somehow make a dent in the population, it will come back gangbusters. Soaps, detergents, oils, etc. are all biodegradable. You probably never could use enough chlorine bleach to even slow things down. Reason for pumping the tank is to remove undigestable dirt that settles to the bottom of the tank. If you allow it to bulid up too much, it will finally reach outlet and start going into drainfield. Until that level is reached, you won't have a problem. We pump ours about every 5 years, and have never come near to that level. Your usage may vary. Septics thrive on plenty of water, unless you reach the point of overloading your drainfield's ability to soak the water away. If your field is properly sized, considering your particular situation, you should have no problem. No additives needed - biology will take care of that. If your system is properly sized and designed, it's pretty much a leave it alone proposition.

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haines_6of6

03-05-2004 17:10:41




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 Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Bob, 03-05-2004 06:45:20  
I never pour grease down the drain to my septic tank. haine_6of6



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Rick

03-05-2004 15:32:41




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 Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Bob, 03-05-2004 06:45:20  
I had my tank pumped two years ago. I was there when the guy pumped it out, I was about 10 feet from the tank and I got a whiff of the tank and almost puked. That has got to be the worst profession I can think of. Anyway I have my tank pumped every 2 years, I have lived here 5 years now and no problems yet. I do know that you cant use bleach in your washer or it will kill the bacteria and sludge will build up in the tank and then work its way into the sand field.

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JOHN (LA)

03-05-2004 13:56:57




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 Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Bob, 03-05-2004 06:45:20  
When I had the old metal tank we used nothing but yeast in it. One pack down the drain per month and never had any problems.

Our code now requires that we use a concrete 500 gal sewer treatment plant per household. Mine was installed in 1990. It pumps air into the first compartment before the separator plate to keep any sludge from settling to the bottom of the tank and to feed air to the bacteria. Nothing lives with out a air supply. The water coming out the exit pipe is suppose to and still looks like tap water but I think I will pass on trying it.

I am very happy with my system.

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ChrisL

03-06-2004 18:29:21




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 Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-05-2004 13:56:57  
Interested in your deal - have read some avout them - I live in South Dakota, on a farm, in an area that is getting stricter and stricter on what to do with wastewater.....

Roughly what did your in house wastewater thingy cost?

What do you do with the output? What kind of smell does the output liquid have if any?

What kind is it?



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JOHN (LA)

03-07-2004 12:20:35




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 Re: Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to ChrisL, 03-06-2004 18:29:21  
I have a HOOT sewer plant. The cost was $1050. in 1990 parts only. This included the 500 gal. concrete tank; air pump with pad and weather cover and about 200 ft of solid 4 in sewer pipe to do my job. I installed it my self and the man that sold it to me signed off the paper work after inspecting my insulations. (No field bed needed at time per code) The discharge looks like tap water and the ditch smells normal. Their is a slight green slime on inside of discharge pipe from always being wet but other than that no ill effects. I will say that the neighbors does smell some in the heat of summer but he has his air pump turned off to save electricity. Hope he don't get caught as the parish (county for you) comes around unannounced yearly to check that pump is working properly.

I got a Hoot (cost more) because at the time they had a larger pump that only runs 20 min. per hour.(elec. savings) Other brands run 24/7.

The newer systems of today all have a half a$$ field bed and pumps that run 24/7. The field bed is just a special pipe with holes in it and spacers on the bottom to keep a air space under pipe so water will run out of holes and percolate into soil rather than dumping 100% of water into ditch like mine does. NO gravel field bed required.

I had one of these newer types installed (tighter regulations now so you can not install yourself any more) at my in-laws 4 months ago (Mo-Dad brand) and it cost them $1900. for everything. Estimates ranged from $1900. to $2500. depending on brand and contractor. They took the cheapest because of finances. It is still to early to tell how this system is working but it seems to be fine. Very little if any discharge on no smell but it is not summer yet.

They make any size system you need from one house to trailer park size.

Hope this helps you !!!

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EIL

03-07-2004 15:05:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemic in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-07-2004 12:20:35  
I too live in louisiana and code requires that you can no longer have the old style drain field type sewer system. I didn't know that the parish can inspect them at any time.

P.S. John, just in case you didn't see the ads, there will be an antique tractor show and pull on march 27th but I don't remember where.



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buickanddeere

03-05-2004 13:31:29




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 Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Bob, 03-05-2004 06:45:20  
Is the water softener connected to it? Is the system undersized/overused or been giving troubles?



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Al m

03-06-2004 04:53:23




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 Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to buickanddeere , 03-05-2004 13:31:29  
I had to replace my entire system last summer,$7300 cdn,only 13 yrs old.When the house was built bylaws said the softner had to be vented into the septic.The inspector sized the system with a 800ga tank.Now the same inspector blames the septic killing"biomass"on the softner.Bylaws now say don't vent softner into septic and I need 1000 gal tank.I even had to pay to remove the perfectly good 800 gal tank,as it is called toxic waste after it is removed from the property.Local politicions and there ever canging rules cost me enough to buy a excellent tractor,like thanks.
Al

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Glen M. Taylor

03-06-2004 14:00:16




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 Re: Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Al m, 03-06-2004 04:53:23  
Which over regulated and amalgamated area do you live? We have to get the blessing of the Bruce/Grey County Health Dept around here for any drains. Also need the ok from the Bunny Huggers in the local Conservation Authority. I have a grey water system roughed in but still have to swap the water softener line over. Surprising how many people have a line from water filters/water softeners to the septic installed without an anti-siphon device.

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Tom

03-05-2004 07:25:22




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 Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Bob, 03-05-2004 06:45:20  
I use Rid-X, some say no good, but can't hurt. The MOST important thing you can do for your system is install a filter on the pipe going exiting the septic tank. The filter is a long plastic one that sticks down into the exit pipe in the portion that is vertical inside the tank. It filters down to 1/16 inch particles. You simply pull the lid, pull out the filter and wash it with a garden hose about every 6 months. This acts as a safety catch and will prevent your septic tank from ever overfilling with particles and ruining the drainfield. The filter costs about $20, a drainfield reconstruction can cost thousands and requires a county permit.

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Dan Kelley

03-05-2004 07:00:15




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 Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Bob, 03-05-2004 06:45:20  
I use Rid-X. The septic tank guy said it doesn't do anything, but then said our tank was in really great shape. We went over 5 years before getting our tank pumped, and then only had the tank pumped as a "feel good" maintenance item. The guy said that most folk only get 3 or 4 years before needing to get the tank pumped.



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Ben in KY

03-05-2004 09:19:33




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 Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Dan Kelley, 03-05-2004 07:00:15  
My family has used RID-X in our septic systems for 30 years or so and NO pumpings have been needed.
Some say it does not work, but it is cheap insurance. I put in a box about every 60 days. I am sure ther is other stuff that works as well or better, but I am not going to chance it.



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Ben in KY

03-05-2004 09:21:59




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 Re: Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Ben in KY, 03-05-2004 09:19:33  
Oh one other thought. Do you really think the guy that makes his living pumping out septic tanks is going to promote something that cuts his income out :)



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Mac

03-05-2004 06:58:46




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 Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Bob, 03-05-2004 06:45:20  
Before we got a sewage system I used to put a box of rid-x in the 1000 gal tank once a month. 20 years and no problems. SOme say its a waste of money, I disagree. I had it pumped 3 times and it never really needed it. Keep stuff such as bleach and any chems out of it.



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James in North Carolina

03-05-2004 07:09:41




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 Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to Mac, 03-05-2004 06:58:46  
My organic chemistry profesor in college used to put brewers yeast in his septic tank to produce bacteria.



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Marty

03-05-2004 07:21:39




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 Re: Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemicals in reply to James in North Carolina, 03-05-2004 07:09:41  
Most additives are just a form of yeast anyhow. The enemies are soaps and most of all auto dishwasher detergent. (has a phosphate compound which does not breakdown)After 15 years of use I had the summer cottage tank pumped and it could have gone another 15. Had 1" of sludge on the bottom, the rest was grey water.



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T_Bone

03-05-2004 09:19:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/chemic in reply to Marty, 03-05-2004 07:21:39  
Hi Bob,

I use vinegar or yeast to keep the tank active. Cheap and effective. Like the others said keep a watch on using too much chorline or colored TP.

I boondock camp 6mths a year in the NF for the past 15yrs and use 1cup vinegar per 25gal black and that disolves all solids and TP with-in 48hrs, depending on temperature and also controls odor.

T_Bone



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Dave

03-05-2004 20:04:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenance/ch in reply to T_Bone, 03-05-2004 09:19:49  
Ours was pumped for the first time after 17 yrs.Guy said it looked good,but he "recommended" doing it every 3-4 years.Of course,we have a "grey" water line for everything else-sinks,showers,tubs,laundry,dishwasher.Keeping this stuff out of the tank,is probably why we have never had a problem.Dave



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Not much help, but

03-05-2004 23:40:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT, septic tank maintenanc in reply to Dave, 03-05-2004 20:04:00  
What do you do with the grey water? Drain it on unused ground, or have a second tank, lines, etc?
Was the dual system installed when the house was built or retrofitted? I thought all waste had to exit by the building sewer.



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