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Ray

03-02-2004 06:58:05




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Local commercial painter was telling me about a spray on "substance" used to cloud generic 6mil plastic (PE- polyethylene?) covering used in a green house application. Its used to increase the UV rating of the material -- increasing the life of the plastic outdoors. Anyone know what the product is called?

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Nolan

03-03-2004 05:09:15




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 Re: OT - Green House Covering in reply to Ray, 03-02-2004 06:58:05  
I've done the generic 6mil plastic covering, while my father-in-law went with the more expensive real greenhouse plastic.

Mine lasts maybe a year, and then I have to replace it. His has gone 7+ years now without failure.

Now it's true that the generic milky plastic costs less, but considering the time cost of rebuilding the greenhouse every year, and the cost of new plastic each year, it's pretty clear to me that I really didn't save any money.

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Grant

03-02-2004 10:25:42




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 Re: OT - Green House Covering in reply to Ray, 03-02-2004 06:58:05  
Hi Ray, The products we use to cover (paint)the poly are to decrease the light and therefore keep the greenhouse cooler in the summer. They come in a varity of formulations and will last from 3 or 4 rains to a couple of months when you need to scrub the stuff off a bit.
The alternative to keep it cool is pull a shde cloth (black loose woven polyester fabric tarp) over the greenhouse in the hot summer.

Talk to your local greenhouse manufacture or fertilizer company which sells to greenhouse growers. They usually carry the stuff. Neither makes the poly last longer. They may infact shorten the life of the poly when you apply the products with a roller or drag the shade cloth over it. Both can be used on glass or polycarbonate, fiberglass, pvc, poly etc.

If you cant find anyone local try a hydroponics place- its amasing what they sell, or try this site growercentral.com It is our fert-chemical place in western Canada.

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Chuck MI

03-02-2004 09:19:14




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 Re: OT - Green House Covering in reply to Ray, 03-02-2004 06:58:05  
There are many different products you can apply to plastic, however the longest lasting ones are incorperated and/or applied during manfacture. Any quality greenhouse film is UV stabalized, with different reccomended lifespans, generally 1 winter, 3 year, 4 year and 5 year.

Some polys are designed to maximaze photosynthetic active radiation (the light that plants use) and minimize UV, to limit heat build up. This would be suited to a grower in a warm climate. Other polys let in PAR and UV, and have a special reflective coating to reflect the UV (heat energy) back inside to limit heat loss. There are a bunch of other light filtering polys that let in, or reflect out certain wavelengths depending on what crops you grow. The most high tech polys come from Israel and Italy.

Point is, coatings don't last. Spend the money and get a poly designed to fit your needs.

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T_Bone

03-02-2004 08:16:44




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 Re: OT - Green House Covering in reply to Ray, 03-02-2004 06:58:05  
Hi Ray,

From my experimint last year I would by the GH UV rated plastic. The common construction grade plastic lasted 3mths before completely desinagrading into nothing. Cost was $40 for 20ft x 100ft.

My GH UV 6mil rated plastic cost $180 for a 40ft x 100ft and is a 4yr rated covering.

Now if your GH isn't too large (high $$ cost) then be sure too look at the polycarbonate sheets. There rigid like glass and carry a 10yr rating. About $1.50sq/ft tho.

T_Bone

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greenbeanman

03-02-2004 07:36:06




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 Re: OT - Green House Covering in reply to Ray, 03-02-2004 06:58:05  
I've not heard of the product. Usually greenhouse operators want about all of the light they can get to enter the house, although commercial coverings are somewhat of a translucent rather than completely clear. Maybe that is the extender that clouds them somewhat. Hm?

I helped recover some greenhouses a number of years ago. The product going on and that coming off were both warranted for three years. Unless the house had high dollar plants in it, it was inspected and kept on for five years.

Some 17 years later I still have some we took off. It only sees daylight part of the time, but is still tough and pliable and not brittle at all.
Good stuff. `

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Ray

03-03-2004 06:11:31




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 Re: Re: OT - Green House Covering in reply to greenbeanman, 03-02-2004 07:36:06  
Thanks. Sounded to good to be true - generic plastic with spray on coating to extend life.

Built a bow shed over the winter and now I'm converting it to a green house (http://www.by-the-sea.com/stimsonmarine/bowroof.html). The green house is 12'x28' --will buy the proper material.

Thanks again -- it was informative



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