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rusty

03-01-2004 15:59:03




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does anybody know where i can find info on the web about outside wood burners? thinking about getting one. thanks guys rusty




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buickanddeere

03-03-2004 06:48:33




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
A round firebox a quality, not cheap stainless is essential. Also dry wood in modest sized amounts burning briskly is required by loading 2-3 times a day. Less smoke/soot/tar than a fire box filled to the limit with damp/green wood once every day or two and the air supply almost closed.



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Shane

03-02-2004 15:21:14




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
We have a Heatmor on our place and love it. You can burn unsplit wood as big as you can lift as long as it is a month or so dry. It is the medium model size. It heats a 100 year old farm house (only insulated on lower floor) and a milking parlor (doors open quite a bit on 3 sides) both up to 70 easily on 2 loads per day when it gets to 20 or lower. When you install you MUST seal the fire box or it will get oxygen when it shouldn't and will waste wood. Ours has a forced fan,a must in my opinion! There isn't hardly any smoke when it is idle or burning, just the few mins between the two. Another thing you will want is the optional access to remove ashes! Ours has a stainless firebox with 10 year warranty and the new ones now have a 15 or 20 year warranty. Came with a relay to use the gas furnace blower and existing thermostat to heat the house. The gas is unhooked, just using the blower and duct work. In the milking parlor we bought the radiators and but squirrel cage fans behind them, works like a charm but make sure you get big enough radiators, bigger than you think you will need, easier to have it shut off then not heat up. Go for it, saves you a ton of cash if your wood is free or cheap.

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Brent in IA

03-02-2004 10:36:18




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
When I lived in North Dakota I installed an "Aquatherm" (made in Brooten,MN). It was a water jacket type, pumped hot water/antifreeze mix to the house and the forced air furnace blew through a plenum hooked to the water pipe. It also heated the hot water for the house with a little adapter kit. It could be installed outside, but I put it in our shop about 100 feet away to keep the rain and snow off it, and it could have heated that too if I added another "radiator". The model I had took 3.5 or 4 foot logs, and had an automatic fan on the door so when it needed to "fire up" it would open a little vent and kick on the fan, and "whoosh" one heck-uv-a fire would start up again. I used it 5 years before moving south to tropical Iowa. It was a very good investment, and worked great.

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Firetruck

03-01-2004 19:40:43




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
I bought a new place this fall and it came with an outdoor furnace. This is the only heat it has. It's a Mahoning 300s. I hated it at first, but once I got it setup correctly its been great. I figure I'm heating 2200 sqr ft for 300.00 a month. This includes everything, I'm buying the wood by the triaxle load. All my friends are looking at 450.00 plus gas bills.



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moline

03-01-2004 18:58:29




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
I have one.It is a Hydro-Fire,made by Central boiler.It is one of the few things I have found that is as good as it is advertised to be.I am getting charged a minimum fee from the gas company because the only gas I use is for cooking.The burner heats water to 180-195 degrees.The hot water is pumped to a heat exchanger on my hot water heater and then to a heat exchanger in my furnace duct.I wired in a seperate thermostat to turn the fan on in my regular furnace.50 degrees to 40,I load once every 2 days,40 to 30 degrees-every day,below 30-twice a day.It burns dry wood,wet wood,green wood or building scraps.I found that if you stir the coals when you fill it,you get a complete burn.It is also available with a blower for the door,but I havent found a need for it.I really like mine! Thanks,Moline

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jdemaris

03-01-2004 18:28:39




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
I'd like to hear more posts from people that have them. I'm in central New York State and I've got a dozen people nearby that have, or had, outside wood furnaces. Some love them, some hated and got rid of them. Some of the towns have banned them withing village limits due to the smoldering and excessive smoke. I'm thinking of getting one but I'm not yet sure if it's a waste of wood or not. One farmer next to me says he's using over twice the wood with his outside Central Boiler Classic than he was when he used an inside combo wood/oil furnace. He is, however, keeping his house warmer than before and also using it to heat his domestic hot water. He's got hot-air heat in the house via an oil hot-air furnace. The Central Boiler outside sends hot water piped underground that hooks to a heat-exhanger into his hot-air plenum. It only has natural draft, i.e. no blower on the fire. I've gone over and looked at it several times, and it just about never burns effciently; it's usally smoldering and full of cresote. He has gotten lazy about wood though, and much is green and unsplit. From what I've read, these outside furnces often run too cool to reach high efficiency, partly due to the water jacket. This farmer doesn't care much about how much wood it uses, he's got 600 acres of woods. He also bought the furnace used for $500 which was quite a deal! I've got another neighbor that bought a new Empyre outside furnace; this is his first winter. It has a stainless-steel firebox and supposedly has a great warrantee on it. He does not use in in warmer weather, just when it's 30F or below. It seems to be burning much more efficiently than the Central Boiler, but maybe it's because of the way he uses it. It has a blower on the fire that keeps it burning hotter than a natural draft model. He also splits his wood and gives it a least a few months to dry. I'm looking into a outside furnace for several reasons. My basement is too low for a wood furnace. We've been heating for 20 years with a woodstove in the house, but I'd like to have something safer and something that will burn longer between loads. I also have a heated three story barn with its own heating system (wood and oil). With an outside furnace, I could heat both buildings with one fire. So . . . I'm waiting to hear a few more stories. I priced a couple of different make furnaces, and they're all around $7000 if I install it myself.

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VaTom

03-02-2004 05:08:21




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 Re: Re: outside wood burners in reply to jdemaris, 03-01-2004 18:28:39  
I picked up a used wood boiler that takes up to 4' logs, figuring my small heating needs would mean I only had to fill it occasionally. Doesn't work that way. You need to draw more heat or the fire will go out. This one used to be a backup boiler for 7 apartments. Primary heat was solar so it was rarely used. The boiler expert laughed when I told him what I was thinking.

Later found a smaller boiler that is going into the next house. Come on down for the huge one if you're interested. So far its size has scared everybody here, but we don't have your winters. This one needs a shed for operation. Also has a fuel oil backup system, which I understand never is very efficient.

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jim coats

08-21-2004 19:24:22




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 Re: Re: Re: outside wood burners in reply to VaTom, 03-02-2004 05:08:21  
do you still have outside boiler you was wanting to get rid of? thanks



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John

03-01-2004 17:48:08




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
I have a Central Broiler(www.centralboiler.com) Its the best investment I made in a while-other than restoring a D14 Allis that is- I did alot of research and figured this one was the best. I know I was right; living in Northern WI. I have several brands to compare to talking to the owners of several other models I know my central boiler classic is the best of the best.



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Tractorboy

03-01-2004 17:26:30




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
I just did a simple search using Netscape and got pages full of outdoor wood furnace manufacturers, Try the link below



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Chuck MI

03-01-2004 17:17:09




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
Try this one. They have good diagrams and explainations of different ways to hook them up.



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phil

03-01-2004 17:08:04




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
From the canadian side of the snow drift, you might try looking for "heatmor.com" a product distributed by "green Valley". second choice is "wood doctor" i use the hot water/cast iron heaters for me, but they do have a water to air heating coil for installation into existing duct work situations. Even able to use the orginal thermostat to control it, lots of options.
good luck



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Bill Smith

03-01-2004 16:23:24




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 Re: outside wood burners in reply to rusty, 03-01-2004 15:59:03  
Not sure about web info, but have been told by some owners that the best one's are the one's that hook into the duct work of your forced air system (blows out your heat vents) and has a return supply of air from house back to the outside unit. There are other ways to hook it up, but I have been told that this way is the best and to have a back-up source of heat. I would have one right now for my house but I don't have duct work at all in my house to hook it up to. Just blowing it in a whole in a wall would work but that room would be hot, the next one about right, the next one cold, the next one even colder and so on. Don't need to fight that.

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rusty

03-02-2004 16:26:40




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 Re: Re: outside wood burners in reply to Bill Smith, 03-01-2004 16:23:24  
thank for the info guys. i"ll be checking out the sites and then locating dealers for the best deal later rusty



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