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hay

02-20-2004 09:05:12




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just want to rant a while about a grease gun. i bought a plews pistol handle grease gun about a year ago and only use it for greasing the tractor and pickup. well, it seems like every time i try to shoot some grease in a fitting the darn gun won't pump any grease. just like it's out of grease. so i proceed to remove the air bleed screw and still no grease or air comes out. then i remove the tube and reinstall and it works for about 3 or 4 shots and same thing again....no grease. getting a little frustrated by now, so today i went to use it to grease my seeder/fertilizer and as you know, no grease will come out. i take the darn gun tottaly apart and find no reason for it's actions. so i finally just went and bought a different brand and it works great and even has a air bleed fitting on top and a fitting for filling from bulk. cost me $30, but so far i greased everything in sight and it works great. i was just wondering if it's the cheapo junk from china nowadays or what. seems like nothing has any quality and name brands are not any better than off brands. sorry for so long posting, but i just had to rant a little. ya'll have a nice day and be safe.

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Fred OH

02-23-2004 13:36:59




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 Re: grease gun in reply to hay, 02-20-2004 09:05:12  
Well, it looks like I have had similar problems as everyone else with grease guns with one exception...I apparently don't have as much patience as others. The first time that I had one of those things that wouldn't pump after I filled it with a new cartridge...I smacked it real hard on a rear tractor tire on the head end...and lo and behold...it started working. Some things are like an old mule...you have to get their attention first. Try my method before you throw in away...it just might work. Come to think of it...I've tried that method on everything from radios to mechanical devices A word of caution though...it doesn't work if the old cow keeps kicking over the milk bucket and you smack her with the bucket...the bucket will just come back over your wrist and hurt you more than her. Ask me how I know! Fred OH

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Dan in Wisconsin

02-22-2004 04:56:33




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 Re: grease gun in reply to hay, 02-20-2004 09:05:12  
Have used a lot of guns through the years. Started with the scoop from the pail and stuff in gun type. Then pail upgraded to attachment on bottom where gun screwed in and pull back on handle and sometimes yes sometimes no. Have had a lot of cartridge units and have to fiddle ith most of them to make work properly. This last year bought one of those Lincoln electrics. It's a "beauty" and so convenient. Made the mistake of buying the one with only one battery included. Second battery cost a lot. They sell with one or two battery. If you buy, get the one with two batteries as you'll save in the long run. If you don't have that much to grease one battery would be okay as long as it didn't go dead in greasing process. It should be made in USA for the price.

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fixerupper

02-21-2004 20:30:37




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 Re: grease gun in reply to hay, 02-20-2004 09:05:12  
I have had about as many problems with grease guns as everyone else and it's true that no two guns are created alike even when they are the same brand. The type of grease put in it can make a difference in the performance of the grease gun. Some greases are so thick they only feed well on a hot summer day. Some do OK in real cold temps but I would question the quality of this stuff in high temp conditions. We have a bunch of grease guns on the harvesting crew I am with and they don't seem to give much trouble. Most of them are bought from Case IH because they have a positive twist lock to hold the rod out when the cartridge is put in it. Where they were made is anybody's guess. When I replace a cartridge I have found that if I pump the gun while I screw the barrel back on, with the rod released, the gun will bleed well and be ready for action right away.

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JMS/MN

02-21-2004 18:54:06




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 Re: grease gun in reply to hay, 02-20-2004 09:05:12  
I've been greasing farm machinery for over 45 years, since the days when we bought grease in pails, instead of cartridges. With pails, after the first half-dozen fills, it was difficult to not get air into the gun. Now, with cartridges, there are few problems. I've never popped the air bleed screw. If it doesn't pump grease after a few strokes- do one or two things. Unscrew the pipe/hose and pump a few strokes to let the air out, or pull the plunger rod back, rotate to engage the follower plate, and push forward to squeeze the air out, while pumping the gun. Opening the gun to remove and reinstall the tube just lets more air in.

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kyhayman

02-21-2004 17:20:54




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 Re: grease gun in reply to hay, 02-20-2004 09:05:12  
I've got a Plews, a couple of NAPA brand, and a no name. Only every had the problem once with the grease I used to get B660 Universal Cooperative brand from Southern States, green in color and nasty as all get out. Now Southern States has changed to Warren brand (Walmart has it too, but it costs more), it is a better grease and red in color but it wont flow. I usually buy a half dozen boxes of cartridges every spring. Half of the first box did the same thing. Seems they changed b/c U/C wont put a bar code like they want on it and Warren does.

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T_Bone....Grease Pump?

02-20-2004 21:35:16




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 Re: grease gun in reply to hay, 02-20-2004 09:05:12  
Since were on the subject, I've seen a grease pump made to fit on a 5gal can of grease with the intent of refilling grease guns.

Anyone use one? Do they work? Messy?

T_Bone



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Mac

02-21-2004 06:50:11




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 Re: Re: grease gun in reply to T_Bone....Grease Pump?, 02-20-2004 21:35:16  
We had one of those at the shop years ago, filled the guns thru an adapter on the top of the gun. It worked great. It compressed the spring as it filled. didnt have an air lock problem either..



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Paul Janke

02-21-2004 04:08:55




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 Re: Re: grease gun in reply to T_Bone....Grease Pump?, 02-20-2004 21:35:16  
They are easy to use. Not messy until you get to the end of the bucket and need to clean out the last part. Well worth it if you go through very much.



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George H

02-21-2004 12:01:30




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 Re: Re: Re: grease gun in reply to Paul Janke, 02-21-2004 04:08:55  

We bought a grease pump that goes on a five gallon bucket about 30 years ago, but tried grease cartridges a few years later and abandoned the pump. Cartridges are one of the great inventions of the 20th Century. Yeah, cartridges cost more, but they're one of life's little luxuries that I refuse to live without. The pump seemed more messy than cartridges but grease guns are just messy. The only glitch I remember was "cavitation" when the grease failed to flow quickly enough around the pump.

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wdTom

02-20-2004 18:45:12




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 Re: grease gun in reply to hay, 02-20-2004 09:05:12  
Half the stuff I get now has to be worked on or fixed before I can use it. Example. Just put new front brake hoses on my truck. Bought new ones form NAPA and had NAPA calipers already on turck. Well it turns out the blocks on the end of the hose that bolt to the caliper have a machined recess for a copper washer/gasket that is supposed to match a recess in the caliper. Well the combined depth of these recesses was more than the thickness of the copper washer so when I started to bleed out the systen I got a shower/spray of brake fluid. I had to use the old washers which were twice as thick, ( but too big in diameter and had to be turned down to fit the recesses) to get it tight. NAPA acted interested when I explained what had happened but I wonder if they will reallyget back to their suppliers and say HEY! ??? This is just the latest example of what I find lately. Have a friend who says the same thing, "I have to work on everything before I can use it"

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Mac

02-20-2004 14:50:03




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 Re: grease gun in reply to hay, 02-20-2004 09:05:12  
The best lever grease gun I ever had was one I "borrowed" from the motor pool in the Military, some 50 years ago, it still works and I still use it. Used to be, buying name brand stuff was a plus, anymore you dont know where it comes from. But you pay the same. Lincoln and alemite comes to mind, but where they are made I have no idea anymore. If I had a lot of greasin, I would go bat. operated, but they are a little expensive for me. If you notice a lot of things have no fittings anymore, then one auto manufacture went to a "Special" fitting that the regular gun wont work on. Oh yes, then there were the ones that had rubber plugs or inserts that had to be removed and use a special adapter. Seems some of the fittings now are metric. Strange how simple things that worked for years had to be changed.
Maybe they are trying to weed out the do-it-yourselfer's.

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Geo in SD

02-20-2004 13:32:57




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 Re: grease gun in reply to hay, 02-20-2004 09:05:12  
The main thing that ticks me off about a grease gun is that they always go empty too soon. I'll work for five minutes and go into awful contortions to thread the hose into a tight and dirty place, only to have the gun go empty after two pumps. And I needed six.



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Bob

02-20-2004 12:10:36




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 Re: grease gun in reply to hay, 02-20-2004 09:05:12  
Welllll lllll l, I suppose if people continue to buy that cheap-o stuff from China they'll continue to inport it. Its a shame you have to spend the money for the cheap stuff 1st before it dawns on a fella he should have just spent more to being with.
I suppose its like Corning moving their glass manufacturing to Japan, China, & Korea. I think most of those new employees will drive GM's, Dodges, & Fords to now..... ..Huh..... ...

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Ben in KY

02-20-2004 19:22:09




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 Re: Re: grease gun in reply to Bob, 02-20-2004 12:10:36  
I have owned several grease guns over the years, all but one of them USA built ans about half of them had the same problem. Seems to be part of their character.



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John

02-20-2004 14:14:51




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 Re: Re: grease gun in reply to Bob, 02-20-2004 12:10:36  
I do hope you returned that useless gun and got your money back. Return enough stuff and the dealer may get the idea.



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mj

02-20-2004 14:05:32




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 Re: Re: grease gun in reply to Bob, 02-20-2004 12:10:36  
PLEWS brand now comes from CHINA? That's like saying that apple pies come from China....or Big Macs....or '57 Chevies....or John Deere Bs....or?????



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RusselAZ

02-20-2004 22:11:21




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 Re: Re: Re: grease gun in reply to mj, 02-20-2004 14:05:32  
Or Wrangler shirts. I haven't seen any from China but they are in everyplace except the USA. I wonder what those little people think when they are sewing up a XXXL long western shirt?



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jeff

02-20-2004 23:37:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: grease gun in reply to RusselAZ, 02-20-2004 22:11:21  
HO boy dis fit on one verwe big suckker!



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