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Drainage Tile in Driveway

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PAMike

02-15-2004 18:36:21




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We are having some major problems with drainage around the driveway, so I would like to lay some draintile in the driveway. My idea is to take the downspouts from the barn that dump into the driveway, and pipe them underground to the ditch by the road. The black flexible drain pipe seems like the cheapest and easiest method, but I searched this site and found some people had problems with it getting crushed. Do you think I would have a problem if I bury it 18" deep? Any other tips would be appreciated.

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Cliff Neubauer

02-16-2004 15:42:01




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
The regular black flexible drainage tile will need to be buried 2.5x it's diameter below the ground for maximum strength so a 4" tile would need to be buried 10" deep or a 6" line 15" deep. As the poster below said the soil above the tile will arch across to keep the weight off the tile. Some small crushed rock right over the tile will help to give it more strength too since it will help to spread the weight better.

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MacSC

02-16-2004 11:53:11




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
Be careful about piping your runoff into a puplic road (ditch). One place I lived would not allow you to pipe the gutters into the road ditch. So I and my neighbor combined forces (since we both had the same problem) and re-poured parts of our driveways and turned our gutters loose on the concrete and it ran into the road or wherever Ma Nature allowed it. And, that was perfectly legal! If that's not an issue, I don't think the corrugated plastic pipe would crush very easily with norman traffic when burried about a foot or so, but if you have a clog it's a lot easier to snake a rigid plastic pipe than the corrugated.

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Bill Smith

02-16-2004 11:07:18




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
I know of a couple of driveways that are wore down from traffic, and the sides of the driveway are actually higher than the driveway. That is all it takes for water to drain into the driveway and thus run down the driveway. These 2 driveways are not mine and I have no inclination to fix them, but all they need to be fixed is to shave the sides off, take the dirt/rock and build up the driveway, and then add more rock to the top and make sure there is an arch in the driveway when its done. With the arch, the water will drain off the driveway, instead of soaking into the driveway which also enhances problems in itself. Your down spouts should not be draining into and then down the driveway. You need to re-rout the down spout water to go someplace else. Not sure what the situation is at the building (may require underground pipe), but if nothing else fix the downspouts so they drain into the yard and the water won't run back to the building, or toward the driveway. If you use underground pipe and are planning to burry it shallow, I would use solid plastic pipe (sewer or water line pipe), and it needs to be big enough around to handle the drainage area of the entire roof if you dump all down spouts into a single pipe.

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david - OR

02-16-2004 07:05:40




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
Considering how much work it is to dig the trenches, and considering that you will be conveying concentrated surface runoff from the downspouts, I would not use the typical flexible corrugated pipe. (The stuff you buy in 100 foot rolls from Home Depot).

The corrugated pipe has to be laid on a nice steady slope. If there are any low spots, they tend to fill with silt and the pipe clogs. I've dug up enough poorly laid field drain tile to observe this clogging first hand.

My preference would be type 2729 PVC drain and sewer pipe. This has the advantage that you can glue the sections together, it is much easier to lay with a steady slope, and it has a smooth interior surface more resistant to clogging. You can buy filter fabric "socks" to pull over the pipe if you are laying perforated pipe.

All plastic pipe has about the same strength, so far as crushing goes. The weight of vehicles is carried by the soil, not by the pipe. The soil forms an "arch", which carries the forces around the pipe. The deeper you can bury the pipe, the better.

The corrugated pipe is appropriate if you are doing a whole field, or if you are a contractor and need to keep your costs down. But I personally hate the stuff.

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Johnski

02-16-2004 06:27:01




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
We put in lots of drainage and now use the black flexible pipe over everything else. You can either get the pipe pre-wrapped with filter fabric or get a roll of filter fabric, lay it in the trench, put in some 3/4" stone and the pipe and then fold over the filter fabric and add more 3/4" stone or gravel. The filter fabric will keep the fine stuff out of your pipe and keep it running clean for years. It's worth the extra time and effort to do it right the first time. HTH :)

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Fred P

02-15-2004 23:10:51




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
When I ran tile under my drive way. I back filled it with dry sackmix with 4" drive way gravel on top of it. The rain set sackmix up.



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Grant

02-15-2004 21:57:01




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
We do a lot of drain tile work with the new homes. Usually 18" is a good rule of thumb, but if you want a little extra security about 24" down will be fine for under the driveway. Once you get so far in the ground, it doesnt matter if its 24 inches or 24 feet, especially with drain tile. Another thing you can do to help with the drainage, is to add about 6" of stone (like sixes) on top of the tile before you bury it. I dont think you'd need anything heavier duty than drain tile. If you dont have a backhoe, it might be a good idea to find a friend who does. Makes the job done real quick and easy. Just my thoughts.

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Ray

02-15-2004 20:10:45




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
I've found that cement tile works best under a driveway and cost less than aluminum or driveway
plastic.It is 12" in diameter and 8' sections.
You can buy seconds for around $40.They weigh
around 900 pounds per section and will last
forever and can be added to if needed.



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kyhayman

02-15-2004 19:31:25




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
This may not work for you at all but I had a problem with water collecting against the foundation of my main hay barn and flooding it. I ditched a few feet away from the barn with a backhoe (24" deep)along the entire perimeter sloping toward the driveway (1 bucket width) and filled it with rip rap. Works GREAT.



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Gene Davis (Ga.)

02-15-2004 19:30:32




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
You should look into using the lined version of this type of pipe. It usually has an inner wall with enough strength to stand up for driveway service.



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Mac

02-15-2004 19:19:07




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 Re: Drainage Tile in Driveway in reply to PAMike, 02-15-2004 18:36:21  
I would pay a little extra and use some good rigid pipe.



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