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OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs

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KURT (mi)

02-11-2004 08:20:37

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Where I used to live, in the city. A few of the neighbors would let their dogs roam all over the neighborhood and crap all over too, of course this wasnt legal and some of them got tickets. I called the city one time and I asked what is the policy for dogs. Here it is "your dog must be on a leash or in a fenced in yard" I thought HHmmmm pretty simple, and pretty self explanitory. My question for you guys--what is the township or local government stance on dogs.

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Dale in I'N'

02-12-2004 19:32:51

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

I have three dogs and try very hard to keep them at my property. Sometimes they will get loose and I look for them to make sure they are not messing with the neighbors cattle. If someone shoots my dog I will be very tempted to return the same, or be a very bad, mean, unreasonable neighbor. Haven't any yall ever had a good follow ya around lazy sleep all day dog ?

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Keep them off my place

02-14-2004 05:39:45

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Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Do in reply to Dale in I'N', 02-12-2004 19:32:51

Dale, if they come on my place, I will shoot them on sight.

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Ben in KY

02-13-2004 09:08:24

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Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Do in reply to Dale in I'N', 02-12-2004 19:32:51

I love my dogs, but I will not "get" the neighbors for shooting my dog if it is harming their stock. I make every effort to prevent that from happening, but you just can't keep some dogs from doing it. I guess it is sort of like a darwin award thing for dogs to weed out the uncontrollable ones. I would like to see aggressive prosecution for anyone that "drops off " a dog.
Cats are better targets anyway :)

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Davis In SC

02-12-2004 10:11:54

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

Humane society tells folks here that the only way you can shoot a dog here is after it has attacked a person. Evidently they are not from the real world. Bad thing is, once you call to complain about a dog, they will suspect you if anything happens to it. I agree that SSS is the best way to deal with it. My Dad always told me the worst thing to do was to let one that you shot make it back home injured. That is how you get in big trouble.

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Turtle

02-12-2004 09:57:38

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

Where I am located it seems to be a magnet for people dropping off thier no longer cute animals. At first I would call, then I went to Rock salt. Now I have noticed that the strays all do tricks. Flip, roll over and play dead. SSS.

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lenray

02-12-2004 07:56:23

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

I found this out many years ago--talk to a person about their dog and then if they don't do anything about the problem---- and then the dog comes up missing--who is the finger pointed at.
Have a neighbor who has 3 goats in his dairy barn 2 dogs came by yesterday--capped one of them haven't seen the other one.
len in michigan

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kyhayman

02-12-2004 07:11:59

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

What dogs :-)?

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Nolan

02-12-2004 06:02:28

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

Technically, the dog owner is liable for the dogs actions here. Actually, since it's animal rights dorks that enforce that law (in most counties), the dog gets away with anything and they attempt to prosecute the victim.

As such, shoot, shovel and keep your mouth shut is the rule here as well.

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Rauville

02-12-2004 04:58:18

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

Since we have some chickens, our place seems to be a magnet for the neighborhood dogs during the warm months when the hens are out around the yard. This past summer, one neighbor's Alaskan Husky dug his way out of his kennel, and chased down and killed several of our chickens. Even the owner had no success in trying to catch him on our property, once the dog started chasing birds. Finally, the dog grew tried of the sport, and went home on his own.
I sent a letter to the neighbor, along with a copy of the state law which states that his dog could be disposed of at anytime, and at any place (other than on the owner's property) if caught harassing, chasing, or killing livestock or poultry. A week later, I get a letter back from his lawyer informing me that, "my letter contained threats aimed at the safety of his client's personal property (his dog), which was insured for $10,000." Also, "if any harm came to his client's pet, I would be held liable and accountable for any stress induced trauma to his client brought on by the incident."
Good Grief!...After this, I'll save my stamp, and buy some shells for my 22 Hornet!

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Ben in KY

02-12-2004 06:01:16

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Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Do in reply to Rauville, 02-12-2004 04:58:18

In KY, dog owners are responsible for ALL damages caused by their dogs.

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Fern(Mi)

02-12-2004 01:41:12

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

Dropped dogs seem to pack. Gone wild, animal control couldn't catch them. Being careful not to harm one particulare nieghbor's dog (an old welcomed visitor) I managed to show a number of these intruders, to my exclusive pet cemetery, when they came upon the place like a whirl-wind running, harrasing, and blinding a couple calves. One beautiful hiefer, I feed her out and sold her for freezer beef. Shame too! She was of a good blood line. Treated her like a penned market steer. So, all wasn't lost.

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bob

02-12-2004 01:07:07

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

people blame the dogs but it is the irresponsible owners that are to blame.

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John A

02-11-2004 20:49:33

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

Kurt, Here in Central Texas where I am, out in the country..... A lot of dogs are dumped! Had a huge Pit Bull chalange me on my front pourch one night. soluition..... both barrels of a 12 gauge shot gun, cured the problem.
OBTW. If some folks show up to ask about their lost dog..... I AIN'T SEEN IT.
No need to raise a rucus with other folks. They had a problem animal. So when it showed up at my place and started causeing problems....I took care of it. I guess the Coyotes must have gotten it!
Later,
John A.

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Van in AR

02-14-2004 10:23:16

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Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Do in reply to John A, 02-11-2004 20:49:33

Hey John. Didn't shoot the porch, did ya?
lol Van

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john

02-11-2004 13:13:19

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

I live in what I would call a transition area.
Use to be if you did not own 100 acres you did not live in this area. While we may have had leash laws no own knew because all dogs were loose and if one got after your stock it just some how never made it home. Now today we have city people and city laws encroachment. I even noticed when some one new moved in they would call the cops on a dog or two. The funny part though was these were the same people you heard at the corner store complaining about coyotes howling in the night or they opened the door one night and a opossum was digging in their trash. They soon learned you can not have it both ways. It extends to cats to. City people move in and kill every snake they see then complain that you need cats to keep the mice under control. City laws are great to control disrespectful people and work well if your lot is 50-75 ft wide. They just do not work if you move on your 3 acre lot and are surrounded by thousands of acres of woods. This does not mean I think dogs should run free like a pack of wolves. You need to access your own situation for the area you live in and respect others rights at the same time.

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jim

02-11-2004 11:56:31

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

Too many sympathetic do gooders in this world of our. As far as I am concerned it is my property, I will protect it and my family the best way I know, if you do not want your animal shot, keep a leash on it. I have warned more than one neighbor, they did not listen, and I did what I needed to do to protect my property. What good are leash laws if the dipsticks that own the dogs don't put a leash on them,I own 2 dogs and they are kept in a kennel, not on a leash so they can slip the collar. Animal control, a joke that wastes a lot of taxpayers money, enough said.

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buickanddeere

02-11-2004 13:07:23

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Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Do in reply to jim, 02-11-2004 11:56:31

A-men

Shoot, shovel & shutup. No one knows, no one gets in trouble and the problem doesn't return.

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Van in AR

02-13-2004 10:04:10

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Re: Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What abou in reply to buickanddeere , 02-11-2004 13:07:23

No need for the three S's only Two S's. They would be shoot and shut-up. I let the coyotes and the buzzards do the rest. I just relocate them off my place away from my stock.
Van

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ShepFL - DITTO!!

02-11-2004 17:42:32

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Re: Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What abou in reply to buickanddeere , 02-11-2004 13:07:23

Same thing here. Out where I live I guess lots of folks figure we need more dogs. About once a month they find there way to the house. My wife used to think it cruel I practiced shoot, shovel, shut-up till she saw some of those dogs starving to death. It is truely SAD that folks want the puppy but not the DOG.

Only exception is during deer season when the dogs are running. Being an ol' Idaho boy though it still boils my blood to see dogs chasing deer but it is heritage here. Folks round here know to keep their dogs under control (me included) and rounded up after deer season.

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Dave H (MI)

02-11-2004 14:12:28

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Re: Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What abou in reply to buickanddeere , 02-11-2004 13:07:23

I have had dog problems in the past and always give the neighbor a chance to make it right. If they do then everybody is happy. Many refuse to be bothered and if it comes down to predation....well....I won't have my animals tore up. I don't take drastic measures for a dog that just leaks on mailbox post and then moves on. That would be inhumane and unneighborly. Just wanted to mention that I have a neighbor on one side of me who shot and killed the pet of the neighbor on the other side of me because the animal routinely crossed his property. The neighbor who did the shooting was arrested and put in jail. He is serving probation for four years, had all his guns impounded and has had all hunting rights revoked and that includes bowhunting. Be sure you are right and are being reasonable before you kill an animal and don't do it just to be an a-hole.

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KURT

02-11-2004 15:51:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What in reply to Dave H (MI), 02-11-2004 14:12:28

Probation for shooting a dog, that is steep. A guy I work with has a buddy that got three years for vehiclular manslaugher and got out in 2 years because of overcrowding prison. I see that the three S's are the way to go.

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Dave H (MI)

02-11-2004 17:38:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, W in reply to KURT , 02-11-2004 15:51:43

I almost hate to use this word as it brings out the worst in people....it was a CAT.

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Bad Doggy!

02-11-2004 11:39:47

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

After having shot a number of coyotes hanging around the farm, (one 42lb fellow was stalking me as I ran fence) I met one early one spring morning staring in the front door. With some idea what was good for him, he took-off at a lope for the woods and I took off for my rifle. He kept to the edge of woods along the pasture at a stready trot. I whistled and hollard at him, but he would not stop. I downed him at about 175yds just before he crossed the road into heavy timber. I cautiously approached and found not a coyote, but a canid cross with a very worn and heavy coller. It was a 80 or 90% wolf "pet" that had broken it's chain and was living on it's own. I subsiquently discovered that it had been lose for three weeks. The "owners" initially curculated flyers suggesting that it was a nice doggy. But subsiquently admitted that it was uncontrollable and dangerous. Northern New England now has bands-packs-familys of these lost pets that have hooked up with Grey Wolves that have immigrated from Canada.

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Bill

02-11-2004 10:51:52

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

In Indiana we have a leash law which means all dogs must be on a leash or fenced in, it doen't matter if it's in the city our a rural area. It also means if you hit a dog with a vehicle the dogs owner is responsible for damage to the vehicle. A lot of people don't realize that. My wife hit a large dog with her van a couple of years ago, and I made a phone call that went like this "I'm sorry that your dog is dead, but what is the name of your Homeowners Insurance Company" The guy was a little mad but the dog should have been fenced, and his insurance company paid to repair the damage.It would be the same if a dog bit a bicyclist or a child.

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Mac

02-11-2004 10:50:38

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

My son lives in the country, if it wasnt for his dogs the coyotes would have run of the place. The dogs stay close to the roost. I seen him take in a stray or two and make a good home for them. His barn cats vanish, coyotes I guess when they roam to far from the barn. Same if he has Puppys. I live closer to town so I had a 6ft X 40ft X 80ft chain link put up. I want to protect my dog. What it amounts to is having a little respect for your neighbor by not letting them run all over. Seems the loose ones here always find my yard to S*** in, same with cats. Seems the leash laws are pretty common all over, specially in the city, but it dont seem to amount to much. Stray dog packs can be a little viciuos. If a guy cant take care of his dogs he has no business with them.

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Robert

02-11-2004 09:24:46

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

Where I live, if the neighbors see a dog loose, with no collar, they call animal control, who'll come pick the dog up (if the dog is agreeable, lol). Where I have my place out in the boondocks, dogs pretty much stay close to home, or they "disappear". I understand the reasoning, though. I would be upset if the neighbor's dog was running my livestock. An interesting twist on this, is, I've learned from the local game warden that there's someone hunting with dogs. (It's illegal to hunt deer with dogs, but hogs and so forth are fair game here in Texas).
The guy has permission to be on one place, but the dogs don't pay attention to fences, and the guy, when he's following his dogs, doesn't either. That's how (game warden's theory) I happen to have a small deer carcass, and a hog carcass near my tank, and I don't hunt the place.
So, should I shoot the dog(s) if I see them, call the sheriff on the owner for trespassing, or hold the dog? Property rights, owner's rights, fence laws make for intereting exchange....

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David811B

02-11-2004 10:56:13

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Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Do in reply to Robert, 02-11-2004 09:24:46

Don't shoot it in front of the owner unless it's chasing livestock and it's legal to do so like here in Arizona. If owner is not around do what you think is right but tell no one not even your spouse. If anyone asks you know nothing. Having someone tresspassed also usually helps if they are coming onto your property.

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jeff

02-20-2004 00:50:22

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Re: Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What abou in reply to David811B, 02-11-2004 10:56:13

NEVER tell the old lady. They will blab every time. Don't tell "friends,buddys, co workers,ETC.
Shoot shovel shut up!

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VaTom

02-11-2004 11:27:47

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Re: Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What abou in reply to David811B, 02-11-2004 10:56:13

Hi David,

It's called "shoot, shovel, and shutup". I was out with my .243 this morning looking. Only 2 dogs around here I'd shoot with the owner standing there. They're accomplished killers and the owner knows it well. He also knows my attitude. We're still friendly. As long as he keeps his dogs off my place we're fine.

No point in calling animal control. The problem is with the dog, not the irresponsible owner.

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Van in AR

02-11-2004 10:34:56

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Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Do in reply to Robert, 02-11-2004 09:24:46

I would shoot them down like the dogs they are, If you give them back they will be back the next week. Have had several running my stock, they only get to do it once on my place.
Van

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Robert

02-11-2004 11:08:29

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Re: Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What abou in reply to Van in AR, 02-11-2004 10:34:56

I had a Norwegian Elkhound once, that loved to roam and hunt. No matter what I did, I couldn't keep him home. He'd stay around long enough to rest, eat, etc, and then he'd be gone again for days on end. Last I heard, a rancher caught him running goats, and the dog didn't come home anymore. I didn't even get mad at the rancher. Pretty sure it was my dog, because of the description---he had one eye, lost the other somewhere one of the other times he'd been out.
I've got two labs now---females out of the same litter. One liked to get out of the fence, and the other would follow, then, the neighbors called the vet (dogs have tags), the vet called me, and I'd have to take off from work to get them home, fix the fence, etc.
I broke them of that habit (of getting out) by running a hot wire about 8" off the ground all around the yard. Those dogs won't get anywhere near the fence anymore!

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kraigWY

02-11-2004 08:39:47

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Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Dogs in reply to KURT (mi), 02-11-2004 08:20:37

In town they have leash laws I think, not in the county. If we didn't let our dogs run the coyotes would take over.
However any dog caught chasing stock or wildlife can leagaly be shot on sit.

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Ray,IN

02-11-2004 19:26:40

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Re: Re: OT: previous post of fences, What about Do in reply to kraigWY, 02-11-2004 08:39:47

Indiana laws are clear, any animal threatening or damaging your property may be legally destroyed. The exception is hunting dogs running a track or treed; then the dog owner must contact the land owner for permission to retrieve his dogs. The landowner must give permission to retrieve the animals and the dog owner must use the most direct route to the animals and back to the original point of entry. He may not harvest any game or carry a firearm onto the owners proterty. IDNR enforcement officers are spread very thin, so most of us police ourselves by being respectful of others property. Wild dogs seem to be the biggest threat around here. They outnumber coyotes and are more aggressive.

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