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Alvin n Ms.

02-04-2004 17:32:07




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Neal

02-04-2004 20:05:13




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 Re: A good question - unanswered in reply to Alvin n Ms., 02-04-2004 17:32:07  
Yes, I would ground it. I was a supervisor for a painting department for a major manufacturer, and OSHA regulations call for grounding all paint/solvent containers. When we moved paint or solvent from 55 gallon drums to 5 gallon pails, my people were instructed to attach a ground wire to the 5 gallon pail. The 55 gallon drum was already grounded simply by being on the grounded metal storage racks. The chance for a spark are remote, but when you are dealing with MEK or other fast solvents, you only need one spark to make your day. We also had a large powder painting operation, and that equipment was grounded to an 8 ft copper rod driven into the ground. Static electricity is the biggest problem

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Alvin n Ms.

02-04-2004 20:49:20




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 Re: Re: A good question - unanswered in reply to Neal , 02-04-2004 20:05:13  
Thanks Neal. That was not my question, but it was interesting, to read your answer. I saw were a lady became engulfed in flames when removing the gas nossel, from her car. She got back in with the engine running, after filling and as she was removing the nossel, static electricity from her hand ignited the fumes. There have been several terrible accidents of this nature in the last few years. People don't seem to take static elect. serious. alvinnms

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Neal

02-05-2004 05:39:44




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 Re: Re: Re: A good question - unanswered in reply to Alvin n Ms., 02-04-2004 20:49:20  
What was your question if you were not asking if you should ground your parts washer to guard against sparking from static electricity?



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confused

02-05-2004 15:34:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A good question - unanswered in reply to Neal, 02-05-2004 05:39:44  
Confuses me too Neal.



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Alvin n Ms.

02-05-2004 10:33:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A good question - unanswered in reply to Neal, 02-05-2004 05:39:44  
Neal, it was a question that was previously ignored. Posted by Dean fr Mn. thanks



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MarkB

02-05-2004 03:38:13




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 Re: Re: Re: A good question - unanswered in reply to Alvin n Ms., 02-04-2004 20:49:20  
Alvin,

That must have been a tragic sight.

It seems that a lot of these incidents are being blamed on cell phones. This is not the case. It turns out that almost all of these incidents involve women who got back in their car while refueling.



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buickanddeere

02-05-2004 05:56:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A good question - unanswered in reply to MarkB, 02-05-2004 03:38:13  
The problem is women tend to spill more gasoline and get it on both hands struggling with the stiff hose on the recoil line. Then it's always too cold,too hot or too wet and then slide across the vehicle seat when seeking shelter from the hot/cold/rain. Wearing clothes that are suited for the weather instead of the fashion runway would help. Silk and synthetic fabrics are true static makers. Usually occurs when all dressed up and in a hurry to go some where and "suprise" find the gas gauge on "E". Blue jean and a cotton shirt are pretty safe.

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Don't know what to do if my wife calls CAA one more time or comes home with another once used one gallon gas can. I keep the collection of full gas cans in the shed because many times the vehicle stalls from low fuel as it's backed up the driveway when she comes home.

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T_Bone

02-06-2004 03:29:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A good question - unanswered in reply to buickanddeere , 02-05-2004 05:56:23  
Hi buickanddeere,

Our local news ran a article about the women causing flash fires at fuel pumps. Most they found were women wearing nylons rubbing on the fabric getting in and out of the car.

Women would stop, get out and stick the nozzle in, then get back into there car, then slide back out to hang up the nozzle.

It was this second touch of the nozzle that discharged the static electricity to the fuel tank rim thus causing the person to jerk way from the tank while still squeezing the nozzle spraying fuel and fire all over as it came out.

They showed a fireman set off a fire with the static discharge at the fuel tank rim. Impressive!

T_Bone

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DaveCA

02-06-2004 05:13:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A good question - unanswer in reply to T_Bone, 02-06-2004 03:29:10  
hi buickanddeer and T_Bone, Very Good post, this should more well known, should be taught in drivers ed along with adding notice in drivers handbook from DMV. Of course you know that one could touch some other metal part of the car before grabbing the nozzle, it may be hard finding any metal on todays cars. Wile this isn't pleasant, getting shocked, it shure better than the shock with flames. Of course you can hold a key or a coin and use that to dissipate static charge by touching the car with it.
The static electricity is more of a problem in cold weather because the dry air makes a better insulator.
i don't think it is a very common problem, not as big of a problem as driving like a nut, but if you see it once...

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MT Pockets

02-06-2004 09:41:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A good question - unan in reply to DaveCA, 02-06-2004 05:13:41  
I also saw that show about static electricity starting fires. I would like to add that this problem is not limited to women. I have a pair of Justin work boots with a soft molded rubber sole that generate a lot of electricity. I get bit every time I step out of my truck. When I'm gassing up I slide my hand down the side of my truck bed to discharge the electricity. I have been bit when I reached for the gas nozzle. It had already shut itself off, so there wasn't much vapor return. I was lucky I guess. Think before you act! Thanks. Steve in Texarkana.

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