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crazy

08-18-2000 08:18:32




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I guess it is time for me to get off my wallet and buy my own welder and torches. My question is what to get? I am not a serious welder by any means but merely a simple joe who needs to make frequent repairs on his tractors and equipment. I dont have a huge budget but dont want to waste my money on junk either. What should I look for in a decent quality welder? Are there any brands that you prefer or think I should avoid?
The torches I have been looking at are mfg. by victor, everyone I know uses harris, is victor of equal quality? one final question-How much should I expect to spend?
Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.

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Joe Evans

09-25-2000 20:22:38




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 Re: torches and welder in reply to crazy, 08-18-2000 08:18:32  
Crazy: I work for a large mechanical contractor. We employ dozens of pipefitters, iron workers, and millwrights. We've bought and used nearly every brand of torch there is and what we have almost universally settled on is Victor. They're just tough to beat for ruggedness and ease of repair. Joe Evans



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Steve U.S. Alloys

08-19-2000 09:32:12




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 Re: torches and welder in reply to crazy, 08-18-2000 08:18:32  
Hello Crazy,
Here's a couple of things to consider when comparing Lincoln to Miller. The biggest difference between the two is the way you make the adjustment for amperage.

The Miller has a shunt type control which allows for infinitely variable adjustments. If you need to get between settings on the Lincoln, (One settings too hot, the next step down is too cold.) the only alternative is to wrap the leads around a brass or copper bar to try to get where you need to be. There is also a down side to the Miller set up. After many years of use, the shunt may begin to vibrate and move. Of course this changes the amperage while you are in the process of welding.

One other consideration which may not be important to some but would be to me: Lincoln has a sterling reputation among the major electric manufacturers for treating their employess well. It is a very good company to work for and it would make sense to me that if a company treats it's employees in an extraordinary way, then it will surely treat it's customers similarly.

I've sold a lot of Miller machines and I don't mean to put them down. I've never sold the Lincoln product. I'm just sharing my honest opinion. Fred? Can I borrow your rock shield?

In regard to torches. We sell the Victor line. Sometimes you can find a cheaper version Victor torch at an auto parts store with a different name like 'Blue Point' and a different part number. Some of the equipment may also vary in diameter where the handle is threaded so be aware. That would be the smaller light duty model. If you find the identical handle to the medium duty 100C, then the CA1350 cutting attachment and all other accessories will interchange. (The medium duty is rated for cutting 6.5" of steel. That's more than enough for the average guy.) The difference is in the finish. The cheaper version is not as pretty. Who needs pretty in torches? If you're going to use it, pretty fades very fast. If you are going to buy parts locally, I would suggest staying with the brand the local gas supplier handles. It will be convenient long term. If you can't get Victor there and that's what you really want, you know how to get a hold of me. We'll UPS one for next day service.
Steve

One important feature of the Victor is the fact that it has built-in check valves in the handle. The Vangaurd series also has flame arresstors built-in. Consider that when pricing equipment. That way you will truly be comparing apples with apples.
Steve

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Crazy

08-18-2000 19:26:37




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 Re: torches and welder in reply to crazy, 08-18-2000 08:18:32  
Thanks for the input guy's! I love this site!!!



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rodney johnson

08-18-2000 19:09:55




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 Re: torches and welder in reply to crazy, 08-18-2000 08:18:32  
dido with torches we have both, no favorite yet as far as welders go lincoln is the top at the list, the others would be miller or holbart, they seem to be less attractive as a few years pass, thats all is in our shop, they have long company history and back thier name, the generators usallly outlast the engines we have a stick machine thats old as the hills purrs like a kitten, worked at this garage had an old bullet welder worked like a charm, lincoln is the name i trust, as many others do.

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Scott Green

08-18-2000 15:44:21




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 Re: torches and welder in reply to crazy, 08-18-2000 08:18:32  
Crazy , Both harris and victor are good torches. I favor the Harris over the victor because of the lighter weight and smaller size. As far as quality , they are both about the same.The welder you want is a Lincohn AC/DC stick welder. I worked at an industrial boiler plant , where almost everything is put togather with welding of some sort. They had many different kinds of welders and welding proceedures. They also have many certified welding people. I had the same questions you have. And lots of them , seeing I was not a welder at the factory. One of the things the welders agreed on was: make sure the welder I bought has DC current. I bought a Lincoln 225 AC/DC. Iv'e had the welder for about 7 years now. I'm very happy with my lincoln welder and Harris torches. Depending on the welding rod I choose , the DC current runs a lot smoother than the AC , which has more force. You would understand after useing AC and then switching to DC. Also , if you were to read some of the previous post , you may pick up some other pointers. Some one else was just asking the same questions you are.

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don

03-02-2001 15:16:17




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 Re: Re: torches and welder in reply to Scott Green, 08-18-2000 15:44:21  
lives in huntsville alabama



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Matt

08-18-2000 13:11:25




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 Re: torches and welder in reply to crazy, 08-18-2000 08:18:32  
Mine is a Harris, my dad's is Victor. Quality on both is good, and widely available parts, service, etc. Wouldn't worry about either.

My welder is ???brand, 175? amps 220V (I'm at work and can't remember) but it's carried by Farm & Fleet for about $175. Included cables (replaced with longer ones made from old welder cable from a maintenance friend who works in a plant) helmet (junk, I replaced with a good one) and the welder itself. I've had great luck with it. I'm like you - don't need industrial quality, but want to use a good one when I need it. So far, so good. I can get the brand for you if you want. Post a reply if need be and I'll check when I get home.

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