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Hey T-Bone mig welders

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Dieselrider

02-02-2004 09:38:49




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When using a mig welder, can you give me some basic ideas as to what to set where? Should the wire feed be set so there is a continous poping or is that too fast? It seems when I slow down the feed so there is just an occasional pop and a steady hiss, the puddle is smoother and it feels like the weld is really getting deep, but someone said the poping should be continous. I thought the poping was the filler wire trying to correct it's length for the right gap? As you can tell, I know just about enough to be dangerous. I hope you can give a tip or two. thanks in advance.

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Dieselrider

02-04-2004 17:42:45




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 Re: Hey T-Bone mig welders in reply to Dieselrider, 02-02-2004 09:38:49  
Thanks to all who left input on this. I'll keep this in mind and practice until I get it right or run out of thigs to weld. Then I'll practice on my partners truck!!! Grin!



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T_Bone

02-04-2004 14:35:00




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 Re: Hey T-Bone mig welders in reply to Dieselrider, 02-02-2004 09:38:49  
Hi Dieselrider,

Hard to beat Bills comments. From your last two comments Bill, I see school has paid off very well for you :)

Frying bacon is that perfect sound were looking for on a Mig. Dials are for remembering where too set a "pictular" machine as a refferance mark. What setting works on one machine may not work on all machines.

On a simple Mig machine with two dials, voltage adjustment and a wire speed adjustment, you want to set the voltage first. Depending on plate thickness 18v to 26v for 16ga to 1/4" material for a single pass weld.

Next set the wire speed. The best way I found is to use a piece of scrap metal. Place the torch cup on edge of the cup lip on the base metal at a angle that will give a approx. wire arc length while your welding. Set the wire speed in the middle of the range adjustment to start with. If you have 0 to 10 adjustment dial then start on 5.

Start a arc then adjust the wire speed until it's very smooth or sounds like bacon frying. This has to be done fairly quickly as the moulten puddle will build up thus changing arc length. If the molten puddle becomes too high, restart another arc in a clean area.

This will be the correct wire speed for a given voltage at a given arc length. Change the arc length too much from the orginal adjustment, then you will need to readjust wire speed or voltage to compensate for the different arc length.

Arc length is very important to control no matter what welding process your using. That is one reason why a machine weld is so uniform vs a free hand weld.

NEVER adjust volatage or amperage while the machine is under a load or anotherwords while welding. This will burn the adjustment control or arc the reostat fins closed to where amperage can no longer be controlled.

T_Bone

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JT

02-03-2004 08:55:08




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 Re: Hey T-Bone mig welders in reply to Dieselrider, 02-02-2004 09:38:49  
Don't be afarid to experiment. Thats what the knobs are for. The machine only does what you tell it to do. Speed wire up if it is not welding good, if that doesn't help slow it down.
Same thing with gas. Take control make it work for you, don't be it's slave.



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BFO

02-03-2004 04:57:06




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 Re: Hey T-Bone mig welders in reply to Dieselrider, 02-02-2004 09:38:49  
The best thing to do is to go to a welding supply store and have them make a copy of the parameter sheet for the wire and shielding gas that you are using. This will at least give you a starting point as to the voltage and wire feed speed as well as the travel speed and what amperage that you should attain.



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John K

02-02-2004 20:43:38




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 Re: Hey T-Bone mig welders in reply to Dieselrider, 02-02-2004 09:38:49  
The wire feed is proportional to the current. The faster the feed, the higher the current that burns it as the welder is constant voltage.



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Bill 52 8n

02-02-2004 10:54:36




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 Re: Hey T-Bone mig welders in reply to Dieselrider, 02-02-2004 09:38:49  
Most mig welding is done with a "short circuit" transfer which is when you hear the popping. I was taught when it is set correctly, it will sound like bacon frying and there should be minimal spatter. Turning the wire down is similar to turning the voltage up, it gives you a "spray arc" transfer. There is nothing wrong with using it. Like you said it gives a smoother bead and deeper penetration, the downside is it is it blows right through thin metal.

Bill

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