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Alvin n Ms.

01-30-2004 07:01:57




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Is there any other advanage in owning an LCD monitor, over a CRT, other than the size and taking up less desk space? My neck hurts while viewing this CRT, because I use bifocles. Would an LCD help me any? Thanks, alvinnms




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jimlll

01-30-2004 16:34:42




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 Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 07:01:57  
I would definitely recommend tri-focals, I am a retired draftsman, when we went to computers, my neck would ache from craning my head up to view through the lower portion. I went to trifocals and solved the problem. Also looking at shelf prices etc are much easier.



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01-30-2004 15:17:53




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 Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 07:01:57  
The flat panel are a lot better and easier to read, I switched a year ago and can see a lot better, I do not have to good of vision, because of diabetes, 43 yr old, I got a 19 inch dell , the bigger the better if you are having trouble seeing



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Crem

01-30-2004 15:09:09




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 Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 07:01:57  
I also use bifocals and have found out that if I raise my adjustable chair fairly high it helps. This extra height helps me to keep my head in a normal position as I have to look down at the screen through the bifocals. A person should also have a bifocal on the top of the lenses. This would help on the head tilt. I found out that when putting sheetrock screws in a ceiling, my head was really tilted back in order to see through the bifocals.

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Slowpoke

01-30-2004 23:25:50




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 Re: Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Crem, 01-30-2004 15:09:09  
I've been thinking about a custom desk with the moniter recessed below the top and tilted back so I can just shift my eyes from the keyboard to the screen. Obviously, I can't type with out looking at the keys.



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Thomas

01-30-2004 14:07:11




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 Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 07:01:57  
I've just bought a flat screened CRT monitor, it's much clearer than my old monitor. It is about 50% more than a standard CRT but well worth it. I haven't used a flat panel other than a laptop which is a pain if you aren't sitting straight in front of it!



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Gibby

01-30-2004 13:55:13




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 Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 07:01:57  
LCD screens are easier on the eyes since the characters are truely flat on the LCD. On a conventional CRT the characters are 3 dimentional. The curvage of the conventional CRT causes this 3 dimentional view. That is what causes the eye strain , since your eyes are always trying to look around the edges of the 3 dimentional characters. I use to have terrible eye strain until I started using a laptop all the time. Before that I tried CRT glasses, sitting straight, etc, etc. It did'nt help much trying those things. The LCD screens are truely the best, I use my LCD Laptop all day long and late into most nights. Just my 2 Cents worth

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farmall300

01-30-2004 13:30:35




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 Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 07:01:57  
If you get a LCD flat panel, and I recommend it, get one with resolution of 1280 X 1024 pixels and I recommend one no smaller than 17". I would also get one with the digital input as well as the analog version. I have had an 18" NEC one for 3 yrs now with no dead pixels. If you have broadband to your pc, get a video card and you can watch TV while reading my message.



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walt

01-30-2004 10:28:32




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 Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 07:01:57  
Definitely get the reading glasses for computer work.



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Mac

01-30-2004 09:06:36




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 Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 07:01:57  
I had to change the text size , makes it some easier to read. Brother got a pair of walmart reading glasses to use with computer. But ya have to watch the magnification, gives him headaches. Try increasing the text size and dont use spec's.



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D.L.

01-30-2004 08:35:43




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 Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 07:01:57  
We've had a flat panel monitor for 5 1/2 years... colors are more vivid, and my eyes aren't as strained looking at it as they were with CRT... but, I wear bi-focals too & fp doesn't do anything for the neck problem! I usually take my glasses off when working on the computer.



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T_Bone

01-30-2004 07:57:24




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 Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 07:01:57  
Hi alvin,

Have your eye doc make you a pair of reading glasses or also called all bi-focal lens. You can see great too about 200ft and do all the close up work with out looking over the line.

Great for welding. Best eye investment that I've made and now that I'm retried I've been wearing them all the time for the past 5yrs and my eye sight is improving and I have coke bottles lens.

T_Bone

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Eric

01-30-2004 12:47:18




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 Re: Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to T_Bone, 01-30-2004 07:57:24  
Hi,

One of the leading causes of discomfort on a computer is having the monitor not positioned correctly. Sitting in your chair,your eyes should be 18-24 from the monitor. Secondly, sitting upright in your chair(Like your grade school teacher used to tell you to do)the top visible part of the monitor should be at the same height as your eyes.

When I say "Visible" I mean the top of the glass screen, not the top of the plastic border.

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Alvin n Ms.

01-30-2004 19:31:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Eric, 01-30-2004 12:47:18  
Thanks to all of you kindly gentlemen, for your help. alvinnms



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Joe M

01-31-2004 19:11:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-30-2004 19:31:50  
I had the same problem .I chose to get a flat panel LCD that had a double jointed support arm which allows me to lower the frame to touch the desk if I want and then can look through the bifocal portion of my glasses.At the time there were very few like this and there still aren't.Samsung and Hewlett Packard (HP) make them.There are a few others.They're not cheap however.And as recommended above definitely get a 17 inch.LCD's are different from CRT (tube type) in that they only look good at what's called their "native resolution".Which for a 15 inch is 1024x768 pixels,for a 17 inch is 1280 x1024 pixels.The 17 is sharper(and to my eyes much less fatiguing) than the 15 because the pixels are smaller(.264mm for 17,.297mm for 15).going up to 19 inch the pixels start getting bigger again with less sharpness to the image.The 17 is the SWEET SPOT in LCD monitors.I don't miss my previous Mitsubishi (and it was a high quality one with a sharp image and price tag to match)one bit.The LCD I can slide it up as close as I want,raise it to the desired height and tilt the screen toward or away from me as I like.They are easy on the eyes provided as in any monitor the brightness and contrast is properly adjusted.Which it never is in the stores as like with TV's the stores have the brightness cranked up high to catch your attention.Also as mentioned above,another set of glasses is a viable option and you could use them for other types of work as well.So an LCD may not be the best solution for you.Sometimes I wish I would have gone the glasses route but I'd probably still ended up with an lcd anyway.Take a little time and talk to people and your eye doctor but for DAMM sure ,if you don't already have them,be very careful if anybody tries to sell you on trifocals(the small center portion of the lens for computer monitor distance etc)with the "no line" progressive lenses.Let's just say that's a story for another time as I've rambled on too much already.Good luck . Joe M

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Joe M

01-31-2004 19:46:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Joe M, 01-31-2004 19:11:15  
Thought of a few more things to add.This might be helpful to anybody considering buying a monitor.Monitors have a "recommended resolution" where it has the best picture quality.Better CRT(tube)monitors can look good at more than one resolution but LCD's are much less forgiving.When LCD shopping I've noticed that depending on the store,the 15 inch looked better than the 17 inch.The reason was that one computer was driving all of the monitors on display using a signal splitter, but the computer was set for the proper resolution for the 15 inch monitors.The 17 and 19 inch were getting the wrong signal for optimum picture quality and it showed.Best Buy was notorious for this but not the only guilty party.I had the salesman hook up the monitor I was interested in buying to a seperate computer and then selected the proper settings and went from there.If I bought it and didn't like it I could always return it within the alloted time depending upon store policy.Be careful with stores charging a restocking fee.CompUSA is still that way I believe.A 15% restock fee on a 400 dollar monitor is 60 bucks! Joe M

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Alvin n Ms.

01-31-2004 20:33:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Flat panel monitors ? in reply to Joe M, 01-31-2004 19:46:59  
Thanks for your insight Joe. Wishing all of you the best. alvinnms



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