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fixerupper

01-30-2004 06:37:35




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Someone just gave me a box of 48 inch 34 watt commercial fluorescent tubes. On the box it says DESIGNED FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USE ONLY. NOT DESIGNED FOR USE IN RESIDENTIAL, SHOPLIGHT OR WORKLIGHT FIXTURES. USE IN THESE FIXTURES WILL RESULT IN SHORT LAMP LIFE. Do any of you electricians know anything about these tubes? What makes a fluorescent fixture 'commercial'? In my main shop the lights are fluorescents out of a school and are at least fifty years old, but I don't know if that makes them commercial. Thanks and stay warm.

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Bus Driver

01-30-2004 19:05:11




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 Re: commercial fluorescent light tubes in reply to fixerupper, 01-30-2004 06:37:35  
Many of the newer ballasts are specifically for 32 or 34 watt 4' tubes. Energy codes may require such ballasts in industrial and commercial installations. The older ballasts and tubes were for 40 watts. While the 34 watt tubes do give less light than does a 40 watt tube, the 34 watt gives more light per watt consumed, so it is more efficient. Use of unmatched ballasts and tubes results in shorter life for both. Operating a fixture with a bad or missing tube can be very damaging to the ballast. The single pin type fixtures can have missing tubes without ballast damage.

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RayP(MI)

01-30-2004 10:24:36




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 Re: commercial fluorescent light tubes in reply to fixerupper, 01-30-2004 06:37:35  
What bothers me is the bulbs outlasting the fixtures. Wife uses the basement as an arts & craft room for our 4-H club. Have lost count of the "shop light" fixtures which have failed, and had to be thrown out - before the bulbs failed. Newst ones use different bulbs than the ones of a year or so ago. Frustrated!



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fixerupper

01-30-2004 08:00:06




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 Re: commercial fluorescent light tubes in reply to fixerupper, 01-30-2004 06:37:35  
The shop has a total of 24 tubes when they are all counted and a box of 30 replacement tubes will last me about four years.



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Bob

01-30-2004 07:15:58




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 Re: commercial fluorescent light tubes in reply to fixerupper, 01-30-2004 06:37:35  
Commercial ballasts tend to use a real transformer with lots of copper, and power factor correction capacitors.

El cheapo shop lights use a wimpy little ballast, or some little solid-state starter do-dad. The el-cheapo fixtures are tougher on any bulb than they should be.

Some years ago, I built a large shop, and bought a bunch of the el-cheapo's to hang temporarily until the ceiling was finished off, and the permanent wiring installed. With being on all day, they ate bulbs like crazy. A friend of mine built a shop a few years later, mentioned he was going to use the cheap 4' flourescents. I cautioned him against it due to the short bulb life. He had already bought the fixtures, and hung them. A year or two later he pulled them all out and replaced them with commercial units, as he was tired of replacing bulbs up at to 18 foot ceiling.

I suspect you will have no problems with the free bulbs you have when using them in your older fixtures with "real" ballasts.

As I'm sure you realize, at 34 watts for a 48" tube, your new bulbs are "energy savers", as the standard wattage for the 48" tubes would be 40 watts.

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Buck

01-30-2004 06:46:08




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 Re: commercial fluorescent light tubes in reply to fixerupper, 01-30-2004 06:37:35  
Maybe there 177-volt. years ago I had the chance to take home about 100 fluorescent lights from an airport, the electrician said good luck, they are 177-volt. I'm no electrician, that was his story, I know the lights went to the dump.



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JohnK

01-30-2004 11:37:58




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 Re: Re: commercial fluorescent light tubes in reply to Buck, 01-30-2004 06:46:08  
If those ballasts were rated for 177 and not 277, most likly they came off of the high leg of an open delta three phase system.



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ya mean 277 volt?

01-30-2004 08:46:52




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 Re: Re: commercial fluorescent light tubes in reply to Buck, 01-30-2004 06:46:08  
often times in factories flourescent lights are run on 277 volts which is one leg of 480 power.



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Van in AR

01-31-2004 04:24:36




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 Re: Re: Re: commercial fluorescent light tubes in reply to ya mean 277 volt?, 01-30-2004 08:46:52  
Yes commercial buildings to include hangers at AFB's and navy yards use the 277 volt lights.



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Buck

01-30-2004 08:55:15




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 Re: Re: Re: commercial fluorescent light tubes in reply to ya mean 277 volt?, 01-30-2004 08:46:52  
Maybe, it was along time ago!



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