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Dan Giesen

10-01-1998 08:09:24




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I just pulled the seal off of the transmission input shaft of a Allis-chalmers D15. The shaft has two grooves (approximately .005 deep or deeper my quess) worn in from where the seals were riding. My question is what should I do.
1. Polish the shaft with some fine sandpaper and put a new seal on? 2. try to fill in the grooves with J.B.weld and sand smooth.
I guess my question comes down to what type of tolerance will a seal still work?

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Berns

10-01-1998 22:30:48




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 Re: Seal question in reply to Dan Giesen, 10-01-1998 08:09:24  

: I just pulled the seal off of the transmission input shaft of a Allis-chalmers D15. The shaft has two grooves (approximately .005 deep or deeper my quess) worn in from where the seals were riding. My question is what should I do.
: 1. Polish the shaft with some fine sandpaper and put a new seal on? : 2. try to fill in the grooves with J.B.weld and sand smooth.
: I guess my question comes down to what type of tolerance will a seal still work?

Chicago Rawhide (worlds leading producer of oil seals) make a product called Speedi-Sleeve which will recondition grooves worn in a shaft by oil seals. Should be available where CR brand seals are sold. Made for most shaft sizes up to 8 inches, heavy duty versions up to 66 inches. They may seem a bit expensive but they work well for reconditioning a worn shaft.

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Mark

10-05-1998 17:10:40




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 Re: Re: Seal question in reply to Berns, 10-01-1998 22:30:48  
: Chicago Rawhide (worlds leading producer of oil seals) make a product called Speedi-Sleeve which will recondition grooves worn in a shaft by oil seals. Should be available where CR brand seals are sold. Made for most shaft sizes up to 8 inches, heavy duty versions up to 66 inches. They may seem a bit expensive but they work well for reconditioning a worn shaft.

I second the motion-Your shaft has Speedi-Sleeve written all over it.

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Wild Bill

10-05-1998 18:45:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Seal question in reply to Mark, 10-05-1998 17:10:40  
: : : Chicago Rawhide (worlds leading producer of oil seals) make a product called Speedi-Sleeve which will recondition grooves worn in a shaft by oil seals. Should be available where CR brand seals are sold. Made for most shaft sizes up to 8 inches, heavy duty versions up to 66 inches. They may seem a bit expensive but they work well for reconditioning a worn shaft.

: I second the motion-Your shaft has Speedi-Sleeve written all over it.

: I third the motion, I have used them with very good results, They work!

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Howard

10-08-1998 15:32:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Seal question in reply to Wild Bill, 10-05-1998 18:45:34  
: : : : : Chicago Rawhide (worlds leading producer of oil seals) make a product called Speedi-Sleeve which will recondition grooves worn in a shaft by oil seals. Should be available where CR brand seals are sold. Made for most shaft sizes up to 8 inches, heavy duty versions up to 66 inches. They may seem a bit expensive but they work well for reconditioning a worn shaft.

: : I second the motion-Your shaft has Speedi-Sleeve written all over it.

: : I third the motion, I have used them with very good results, They work!

I'm intriqued: Sounds like something I've been looking for also. How do they work? Thanks, Howard

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Berns

10-14-1998 00:19:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Seal question in reply to Howard, 10-08-1998 15:32:32  

: : : : : : : Chicago Rawhide (worlds leading producer of oil seals) make a product called Speedi-Sleeve which will recondition grooves worn in a shaft by oil seals. Should be available where CR brand seals are sold. Made for most shaft sizes up to 8 inches, heavy duty versions up to 66 inches. They may seem a bit expensive but they work well for reconditioning a worn shaft.

: : : I second the motion-Your shaft has Speedi-Sleeve written all over it.

: : : I third the motion, I have used them with very good results, They work!

: I'm intriqued: Sounds like something I've been looking for also. How do they work? Thanks, Howard

The speedi-sleeves are a thin stainless steel type sleeve that is a more or less press fit on a shaft. They come with a driver cup. Here is a link to website.

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Link Again

10-14-1998 00:32:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Seal question in reply to Berns, 10-14-1998 00:19:58  



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Howard

10-18-1998 16:10:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Seal question in reply to Link Again, 10-14-1998 00:32:14  

Thanks. I'll keep the Speedi Sleeve in mind for future reference. HC



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Berns

10-01-1998 22:28:39




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 Re: Seal question in reply to Dan Giesen, 10-01-1998 08:09:24  

: I just pulled the seal off of the transmission input shaft of a Allis-chalmers D15. The shaft has two grooves (approximately .005 deep or deeper my quess) worn in from where the seals were riding. My question is what should I do.
: 1. Polish the shaft with some fine sandpaper and put a new seal on? : 2. try to fill in the grooves with J.B.weld and sand smooth.
: I guess my question comes down to what type of tolerance will a seal still work?

Chicago Rawhide (worlds leading producer of oil seals) make a product called Speedi-Sleeve which will recondition grooves worn in a shaft by oil seals. Should be available where CR brand seals are sold. Made for most shaft sizes up to 8 inches, heavy duty versions up to 66 inches. They may seem a bit expensive but they work well for reconditioning a worn shaft.

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RickB.

10-01-1998 14:33:45




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 Re: Seal question in reply to Dan Giesen, 10-01-1998 08:09:24  
: I just pulled the seal off of the transmission input shaft of a Allis-chalmers D15. The shaft has two grooves (approximately .005 deep or deeper my quess) worn in from where the seals were riding. My question is what should I do.
: 1. Polish the shaft with some fine sandpaper and put a new seal on? : 2. try to fill in the grooves with J.B.weld and sand smooth.
: I guess my question comes down to what type of tolerance will a seal still work?

>> Is it possible to locate the seal a little deeper or shallower in the quill so as to locate the lips on a new part of the shaft? .050" should be enough to make a difference.

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Eddie Petty

10-01-1998 15:40:12




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 Re: Re: Seal question in reply to RickB., 10-01-1998 14:33:45  
: : I just pulled the seal off of the transmission input shaft of a Allis-chalmers D15. The shaft has two grooves (approximately .005 deep or deeper my quess) worn in from where the seals were riding. My question is what should I do.
: : 1. Polish the shaft with some fine sandpaper and put a new seal on? : : 2. try to fill in the grooves with J.B.weld and sand smooth.
: : I guess my question comes down to what type of tolerance will a seal still work?

: >> Is it possible to locate the seal a little deeper or shallower in the quill so as to locate the lips on a new part of the shaft? .050" should be enough to make a difference.

Dan, option #2, most older seals were manufactured in exceptionally deep cups, consult your local seal and bearing representative and have him/her cross-reference to a modern day seal of approximate half the cup depth, install two seals, now running on good shaft areas,one seal facing the fluid to be retained and the other facing backwards to keep dirt out. I recently restored my '44 Farmall 'A' and double sealed EVERYTHING!! Good luck, Eddie Petty, Courtland, Va

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