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Just got me a welder

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chief613

08-11-2000 03:01:19




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Just picked up a used welder. Lincoln 225 ac. The fella told me it was bout 10-15 years old. He hadnt used it a lot. The leads and cord looked okay, not all cracked or any thing, been under cover all the time. He hasnt used it in over a year. So did i get hurt to bad for a $100. And what does anybody have for suggestions for getting started.....never touch one before. bout all i know is dont look at the arch and i need a rod and some steel. lol thanks for any advice

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dale

01-02-2002 13:13:44




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 Re: just got me a welder in reply to chief613, 08-11-2000 03:01:19  
looking for a good reconditioned welder mig wire fed. must be capable of welding up to a half inch,any other equipment, torch kit cutting tip ect..



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Al

08-13-2000 13:20:33




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 Re: just got me a welder in reply to chief613, 08-11-2000 03:01:19  
PLEASE
Dont't forget to were long sleeves,weld burns are much worse than sun..make sure you use the right rod for the different kinds of steel.It will make you ,much more rewarding ,feel better when the parts don't break. Also like someone said DO NOT KEEP A BIC LIGHTER ON OR NEAR YOU-THAT IS LIKE DYAMITE



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Tom

08-13-2000 06:32:16




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 Re: just got me a welder in reply to chief613, 08-11-2000 03:01:19  
welding is somewhat easy to do, but it takes plenty of practice. First off, you'll need plenty of scrap steel, Don't practice first off, on anything you'll want to keep.

First off, you'll need a welding helmet and a chipping hammer is also a good idea, you can pick these up wherre ever you get the welding rod.

the first obsticale you'll have is linine up the rod with the area of the steel you'll want to weld. it takes practice. but be patient.

once you get that down, you'll wnat to try to keep the rod away from teh steel about 1/8 of an inch. this will stop the rod from sticking to the steel and will create the arc you'll need to welkd properly.

when welding, its best to weld larger or thicker steels to thinner steels, once you begin, thsi should make a buit more sence. also, I try to aim the rod for the center of the two pieces of steel to be welded. depending on what I am doing of course.

Welding can be a lot of fun, and very usefull, But it does take plenty of practice, so be patient and have fun learning.

and here's a test for you, when you think you got the hang of it, take two pieces of steel, weld them together, allow them to cool, and then break them apart, if they come apart easily, then keep practicing, if you really have to werk at getting them apart, then you just might have the right technique. at anyrate, once they are apart, you'll be able to see, just how good of a welder you are, by examine the weld and the steel.

good luck, and remember to keep it fun.

if you have any other questions, please feel to email me direct

Tom

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chief613

08-12-2000 03:51:06




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 Re: just got me a welder in reply to chief613, 08-11-2000 03:01:19  
Thanks for the advice, i just need to get me an outlet hooked up now, and some scape iron. On the subject of hoods. No one mentioned the auto lenses. I see they are pretty pricey, what do u think of these, are the worth the money, the only ones ive seens are in harbor freight. little skepticle about some of their products, especialy when it comes to something saftey like a weldin hood?



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Beitz

08-12-2000 04:38:36




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 Re: Re: just got me a welder in reply to chief613, 08-12-2000 03:51:06  
Make sure you get some good rods to practice with.... Don't think that all rods are the same....Some rods from different companys are 100% easyer to use... Rods out of a tin box stick to your work (hard to start) Rods from a cardboard box start easyer.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

08-13-2000 06:48:02




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 Re: Re: Re: just got me a welder in reply to Beitz, 08-12-2000 04:38:36  
I would like the opportunity to compete against the company who presently provides you with the "cardboard" boxed filler metal.

If you care to send an e-mail, and tell me what you use, I will respond by sending some comparable samples ( In a cardboard box of course.) to try along with a price quote on the quantities you purchase in.
Thanks, Steve



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Greg

08-12-2000 01:21:26




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 Re: just got me a welder in reply to chief613, 08-11-2000 03:01:19  
Just a few more things to add to the list:

Lincoln has a couple of good books, "The Procedure Handbook of Arc Welding" and "Metals and How to Weld Them", at approximately $24.00 and $7.50 respectfully.

When you're in the welding supply store pick up any filler metal books they may have. They are usually free or sometimes a couple of bucks. Some very pertainent and valuable information in them.

Wearing a heavier weight long sleeve cotton shirt will help guard against UV rays. Better yet, add a leather cape and sleeves. Ear protection for overhead, out of position welding, grinding, etc. Safety glasses bear another repeating. Proper footwear is also important.

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Chris G '47 2N

08-11-2000 18:35:15




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 Re: just got me a welder in reply to chief613, 08-11-2000 03:01:19  
Sounds like a fair price .
I just traded my 14 year old Miller 225 AC in on a 2 year old Miller AC/DC that also had been traded in . My welder was in really good shape and I got $75 credit . The AC/DC cost me $ 150 ( only $75 counting my trade in .

Your Lincoln is a comparable machine to my old Miller . They both cost the same when I bought mine new . I have used both brands and see little difference .

The other guys are right on the money . Go by your local Industrial Supply / Welding house and talk to the sharpest guy you can find . He should be able to set you up .

I would like to recomend that you wear safety glasses . Not only will they protect you while you chip slag , but a rep from Century told me that even with a good lens in your helmet , you will still get UV light . Safety glasses will cut out most of it .

Good luck , have fun and be careful !

Chris

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Fred OH

08-11-2000 10:37:17




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 Re: just got me a welder in reply to chief613, 08-11-2000 03:01:19  
Don't have any bombs around you (WD-40, gas cans etc).
Don't weld with a cracked lense.
Don't weld when the kids (or the pets) are around.
Don't breath the fumes. Get a fan or weld outside.
Don't use too light of a lense. 10 for day, 11 or 12 for night.
Don't try to weld magnesium. Brighten aluminum on electric wire brush and smell it. If it is aluminum, it will smell like rotten eggs. (cast alum.).
Don't weld with a Bic or other plastic lighter in your shirt or pants pocket.
Don't weld on or near gas or fuel tanks, ever!
Don't weld on pressure vessels or barrels of unknown content (potential bomb).
Don't weld near dry grass (fire hazard)
Don't weld standing on a ladder. (try it on the first step with the helmet down. You can lose your sense of balance).
Don't quench the weld in water, let it cool on it's own.
Don't weld in a wheat field without a fire watch and water hose. Wet down the area too.
Don't read the insurance tables stating that welders have the highest rates of skin cancer and lung cancer.
Don't weld on galvanized steel till you've been into welding for a while and learn about it's hazards.
This is a don't list, the guys seem to be giving you mostly do's. This'll get you started safely. The guys will add theres too. Mostly, it's just a common sense thing. Enjoy your welder. It's just another tool to help you get smarter than the metal. And a good one too, I might add. L8R----Fred

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Tyler(WA)

08-11-2000 07:56:17




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 Re: just got me a welder in reply to chief613, 08-11-2000 03:01:19  
Yeah, what AD said... and I might add a few things, like a good ARC welding helmet. Don't try to use gas welding goggles, they aren't near dark enough.

I use a couple of tricks to help me see when I'm under the hood. Before you strike an arc, it can be REAL dark under the hood and fumbling around with a charged stick can be rather clumbsy. I use a 500W halogen light to illuminate my target and some of my daughter's sidewalk chalk to outline the weld I want to make. I even chalk the welding rod if it has a dark coating. This has helped me a whole lot.

You don't want to "poke" the stick at the weld but drag the tip to start the arc (like striking a match). Heavier metal is far easier to practice with so get some scrap 1/2" or at least 1/4" to practice with. Since you aren't actually trying to weld anything but learn how to start and hold an arc, you may try using 1/8" rod on 1/4" plate. Try 6013 rod. It's an easy rod to learn with that holds an arc well and is easy to start. It's very forgiving also.

You may want to talk to Steve from USAlloys. He's a regular on these boards and can help you with the newer rod technology that offers some real improvements in splatter and slag reduction.

Good luck, keep your skin covered, and PRACTICE.

It's not hard to learn. ANY fool can learn it if I could.

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AD

08-11-2000 08:23:51




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 Re: Re: just got me a welder in reply to Tyler(WA), 08-11-2000 07:56:17  
I am with Tyler on his advice and to go a little further on the good hood. I like the large lens as I wear bifocal glasses and it is a lot easier to use the large lens to get lined up with what you are doing.The magnification lens are ideal if you only need close up reading glasses. I also would not get the flip up lens as they tend to leak light around them after time.Also the silver coated hoods are cooler if you are doing extended welding and above all get one that is light and comfortable to wear. They may cost a little more but over the years it will be worth it. I think I have 5 hoods in the shop and only two of them are what I would take off the peg to use. Also get a soft cap to wear nothing like a spark in your hair to get you excited.
Get the scrap iron out and make a modern art piece out of all the things you can stick together at any angle it will give you experience in welding at other than flat surfaces.

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AD

08-11-2000 04:45:10




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 Re: just got me a welder in reply to chief613, 08-11-2000 03:01:19  
Congradulations on the buy. Check for dirt daubers in things and then go by your local welding supply and tell them you are new to the welding thing and you need some advice and any books or helps they have. Get you a large plate or scrap metal of some type heaver the better and then hook up and see how to run a bead. PRACTICE,PRACTICE,PRACTICE. Try different settings until it works right and you will know when that happens.Get you a good heavy set of gloves that are large enough that you can make one quick sling and it will come off your hand,yes the time will come when that is very important, and a heavy long sleeve shirt then back to the PRACTICE. GOOD luck

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