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LEE

08-09-2000 20:40:37




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Where can one find large standard size Taps and Dies? 3/4inch and above. Any places on-line? THANKS




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JerryU

08-11-2000 04:57:51




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 Re: Tap Dies in reply to LEE, 08-09-2000 20:40:37  
With all due respect to both gentlemen, a lot of times I need one thing for a one time purpose, don't want to run around or even leave home. I tend to head to McMaster-Carr. If you order by internet or phone, it could well be there the next day and they don't fleece you for shipping. You want watch price, because they can get pricey, however, they have darn near anything, left handed, right handed, no handed, etc. You may want to check them out if not just for reference purposes.

(I have no interest in this firm.)
JerryU

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Steve U.S. Alloys

08-10-2000 05:12:15




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 Re: Tap Dies in reply to LEE, 08-09-2000 20:40:37  
Norseman high carbon pipe taps to 2" and high carbon plug, taper, and bottoming taps to 1".

Metrics to #14.

1-800-325-1568 for quote.
Steve



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Mark Thompson

08-10-2000 21:14:15




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 Re: Re: Tap Dies in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 08-10-2000 05:12:15  
No offense Steve,but I equate buying drills,taps,cutting tools,and abrasives for that matter,from a welding supply,as about the same as buying them from Grainger.Yes they have them,but they're not the best or cheapest place to get them.I certainly don't mean any ill feelings,as your company may be different.MSC,and to a lesser extent J&L Industrial,are pretty much the standard for this type of thing with me,and ALL the other shops I know.They treat Bob From Off The Street pretty much the same as Big Bob From The Mega Shop Down The Stret.They both have web sites, same day shipping and branchs nationwide.And a bonus you get to pick from import grade to generic USA brand to premium USA brands.This comes in handy on large tools you may only use one time.Regards,Mark Thompson

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Larry Garbarek

08-11-2000 10:34:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Tap Dies in reply to Mark Thompson, 08-10-2000 21:14:15  
Since Grainger is the world's largest distributor of industrial products, it would seem like they are doing something right!

Also, Grainger and it more or less close competitor, McMaster Carr, are several times larger than anyone else in the business.

While there are reasons why other industrial supply houses exist, there are also reasons why these two are the most successful in their field.

It's hard to beat Grainger's prices but their range is not as complete as MSC or McMaster Carr on many items.

Nobody has a range like McMaster Carr. Just bought about 40 sizes of industrial single end wrenches and crowfoot wrenches. McMC had all the rather odd sizes I needed in stock. Pricing was okay. I was very pleased that they supplied Armstrong, Williams and Proto even though there are lower cost brands in the market that McMC could have shipped.

Suggest checking out these two houses first. Then, using them as a benchmark, go to your favorite local supplier to see if you can do better.

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Mark Thompson

08-11-2000 14:24:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tap Dies in reply to Larry Garbarek, 08-11-2000 10:34:06  
Hi Larry,You're right about McMaster,they have a zillion items,all in stock.If we order something by 11 AM,it's sent out by courier that day at the cost for ground UPS.Pricing is just OK,but the service is great,and never a back order.Grainger pricing is somewhat less than OK:)I suspect McMaster started the courier thing because of MSC,they shuttle to a satelite store once a day.It's fair to say we're spoiled:)Check out MSC in the Thomas Register,they're not tiny either:) Regards,Mark

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Steve U.S. Alloys

08-11-2000 06:32:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Tap Dies in reply to Mark Thompson, 08-10-2000 21:14:15  
Hi Mark,

No offense taken my friend. Everyone is in the habit of buying someplace.

You know, people will buy something out the back door if they can find it locally. I do. Companies like mine compete by offering many items that cannot be easily found in one place. We also offer first class technical assistance and stand behind our product with a no questions asked money back gaurantee. (Whether it is our product or someone elses.)

We also have next day service and treat the neighborhood welding shop the same way we treat GM or Cat. (Actually, I get way more satisfaction and respect not to mention customer loyalty from helping out the smaller guy.) We have a web site and independent reps covering much of the U.S.

There are two exceptions I will give you though. We do not carry lesser quality imports for one time useage. We carry only what we honestly feel to be the best product we can find and at the best price we can offer it. We feel through 32 years experience in business, that no one ever regrets buying the best. We also charge freight right up front. We don't hide it in the price of the product. Believe me, you always pay freight in one way or another. You pay for give aways too.

Now, having said all that, I'm going to use something I learned from Fred and say "go ahead and throw those rocks everyone." We will not be the "cheapest" or the most "expensive" in every given instance. Rest assured, we do the best we can. It's how we feed our families around here and we depend on your repeat business.
Steve

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Mark Thompson

08-11-2000 14:15:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tap Dies in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 08-11-2000 06:32:37  
Hi Steve,I almost felt bad about that post after I submitted it,I'm glad you took it the way I meant it and was not offended:)I feel pretty lucky that MSC,J&L,McMaster,are all in our backyard.And the nearest Grainger is only 5 miles.The pecking order as I see it is- Full service suppliers(Grainger,or yourself,welding supply,but also handles periphials(sp?)-most covienient,not cheapest.Large volume idustry specific suppliers(such as MSC,although they are expanding line to cater to Grainger types)-very compettive prices on core buisiness(metalworking supplies),guarranteed next day shipping,huge inventories even on slow moving items.Local individual reps-Great individual support,often best prices on superior tools,but little inventory for quick delivery.Right or wrong ,that's the way I see it. I understand about not wanting to carry bargain brands,but the fact is everything revolves around money.No one wants to pay $400 for a special cutter to make one part out of plastic or aluminum and bury it in a drawer,even if you are GM or Ford.If you don't get a job because of that extra $400 tool,nobody wins.I come from a working class rural background and folks that were very frugal:)
We just paid an extra 30K for a new machine tool over another brand because we could measure the productivity gains,not so we could say"we only buy the best" while the guy down the street says "I bought the right gun for the job and make twice as much as you" :)
I'm assuming your company is similar in style to Eutectic(our old shop was a Eutectic Reccommended Shop),Chronotron,etc.,is that right? I guess I should check out your website,huh:) Regards,Mark

PS-Hope the long winded reply made at least some sense:)

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Steve U.S. Alloys

08-13-2000 07:02:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tap Dies in reply to Mark Thompson, 08-11-2000 14:15:46  
Hi Mark,
I can never be offended during the course of an intelligent conversation with a gentleman such as you obviously are.

You are correct in your assumption that my company specializes in welding. More specifically, repair welding. We do go head to head with companies like Eutectic, Certanium, Nassau, Chronatron, MG, Continental etc. I will also admit that we are a smaller American company in comparison to the European giants like Eutectic or Certanium. We do however, gaurantee our product quality to be at least as good or we take it back.

We are not into the same business as Grainger or McMaster Carr in regard to being all things to all people. We cater to the manufacturer, job shop or farm shop and anything we carry outside of the realm of welding or welding safety is because people have asked us for a certain item regularly. Things like PB Blaster or grinding wheels etc. I personally don't get much of a charge out of selling a drill bit. It's the cast iron welding project or the metallising of a foundry pattern that blows my skirt up.
Thanks for your input,
Steve
P.S. I'm not trying to be smart, but can you rent the stuff you only want to use once?

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Mark Thompson

08-13-2000 18:48:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tap Dies in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 08-13-2000 07:02:43  
The cast rods always seemed to me to be what separates the companys mentioned from the generic commodity type suppliers.They're worth whatever you charge.We were into metalising(sp?) but I think we should have moved from flame to HVOC Plasma.We do some very semi production welding now,although our bread and butter is CNC machining.To answer your question,I don't know of anyone who rents cutting tools,but you can borrow from the neighbors:) Regards,Mark

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Steve U.S. Alloys

08-14-2000 14:01:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tap Dies in reply to Mark Thompson, 08-13-2000 18:48:25  
Hi Mark,
Nobody really knows for sure how to spell metallising. Spell it any way you like. I used to spell it with a "Z" until I worked with a Brit' who chastised me for not substituting the "S". He was kind of silly but I liked him so I changed it to humor him.

Many people have gone from the Oxy/Fuel powder torch like the Eutectic Terrodyne 2000 or the Metco 6P type to HVOF or the twin arc system. PTA and PNTA are too pricey for most. The HVOF kerosene gun is impressive too. We may have a small twin arc system very shortly that will compete with the oxy/fuel powder torch in price. It will operate on any CV power source. I'm looking forward to doing some demo's with it.
Steve

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