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Steve

01-14-2004 07:54:16




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Is there a way to add down pressure to a tractor that doesn't have it. I was considering replacing the top link bar with a cylinder to run off the aux hydraulics, but I'm sure if that would work.

Any suggestions?




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300 utility

01-15-2004 22:23:46




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 Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Steve, 01-14-2004 07:54:16  
I've been using a IH 300 around the place here for quit awhile,and the down pressure really isn't all you might think it is craked up to be. There is a verrrry fine line between putting to much down pressure on your blade or box and there by lossing traction because you are starting to pick up the back of the tractor. But like has aready been said it is great for changing tire. It is also great for if you get stuck in the mud just push down on it ( depending on what implament you have on it) lifting the tractor and throw something under the tirse so they can get traction again. Just my thoughts.

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Taylor Lambert

01-15-2004 17:29:31




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 Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Steve, 01-14-2004 07:54:16  
What kind of tractor are you wanting to convert. A hydraulic top linwould help a little bit ive built a few for friends. If it was an external lift cylinder it would be pretty easy i made one fo a friends Moline a few weeks ago. Itworks good we even put a float in it so it would beable to float we made the entire top and tilt then the down pressure.



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jake

01-15-2004 10:50:23




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 Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Steve, 01-14-2004 07:54:16  
One of the easiest ways to get down pressure is to buy a tractor with it. Down pressure on the 3pt is nothing new. I know that Case had down pressure on their "eagle hitch" that came out in I believe 1949. Farmall had it on the "fast hitch" but I don't know when it came out. Oliver had down pressure on the "power traction hitch" so this is nothing new. As far as converting own way hydraulics to two-way is porbably not economic.

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Steve

01-15-2004 04:50:15




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 Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Steve, 01-14-2004 07:54:16  
I thought down pressure would be helpful when using the box scrap (also for post holes).



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RT

01-14-2004 19:34:36




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 Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Steve, 01-14-2004 07:54:16  
A cylinder on the top link comes in real handy when you run a forklift attachment or a cement mixer. Grading like somebody said it will just change the angle of cut on your blade. If you want to cut but grade try adding wieght on you blade. RT



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Dale in WV

01-14-2004 17:52:23




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 Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Steve, 01-14-2004 07:54:16  
There are times when downpressure would be welcome -- I think of trying to cut through the packed snow on our dirt roads -- the chains on the tractor cut it a bit, but having that down pressure on the back blade of the tractor would help clear the roads. My $.02



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Allan

01-14-2004 16:26:02




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 Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Steve, 01-14-2004 07:54:16  
Hi Steve,

I don't understand why you would ever want down pressure on your hitch.

Could ya give me a clue?

Allan



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Nominday

01-14-2004 19:59:59




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 Re: Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Allan, 01-14-2004 16:26:02  
Down pressure is really good if you want to wear out your tires or stall a lot. Seriously, available down-pressure is good (used carefully) for post-hole digging, driving steel posts and changing flats.



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Alvin n Ms.

01-14-2004 14:48:07




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 Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Steve, 01-14-2004 07:54:16  
The hyd. top link would add down pressure only when you didn't want it, as it would tend to pick up the rear drive wheels, causing them to loose traction and spin. The top link is for changing the angle of cut and (ect)when you have it in the proper position the implement will usually take the ground and do what it is supposed to do. The ram cylinder on farm tractors (except Belarus) have free fall going down and there is absolutely no way to have down pressure, and properly used you don't need it nohow, as you can always get your mother n law to stand on it. alvinnms

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Davis in SC

01-14-2004 16:32:27




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 Re: Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-14-2004 14:48:07  
On subject of Belarus down pressure, do they always apply pressure when lowering,or is there also a setting similar to "Float" ? It seems like constant down pressure on the 3 point would be a pain at times. I have never run a Belarus.



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John

01-14-2004 17:01:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Davis in SC, 01-14-2004 16:32:27  
Yes if you pull the lever all the way back it will lock in the float position.
I think the down pressure is great when you get use to it for such things as grading drive and other box work. It allows you to use some of the weight of the tractor to cut hard ground and dig.



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Fern(Mi)

01-14-2004 11:17:26




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 Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Steve, 01-14-2004 07:54:16  
What kind tractor, model, aprox year, etc, pertinent details? could be helpful.



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Steve

01-14-2004 12:02:21




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 Re: Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Fern(Mi), 01-14-2004 11:17:26  
Long 2360 - Mid to late 90's. 35 HP



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CLAYTON IN FL.

01-14-2004 17:29:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to Steve, 01-14-2004 12:02:21  
I HAD AN INTERNATIONAL 300 UTILITY WHEN I WAS IN ILLINOIS BY PUTTING A PIN THRU THE THREE POINT HITCH ARM WOULD LET YOU USE DOWN PRESSURE GREAT FOR GRADING HARD GRAVEL DRIVEWAYS. REMOVE PIN IT WOULD FLOAT.



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RayP(MI)

01-15-2004 11:19:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to CLAYTON IN FL., 01-14-2004 17:29:49  
The two point (converted to 3pt) on my Farmall 200 works the same way. Only problem is that when you use it with rear blades, scraper buckets, etc., you end up picking up the rear of the tractor. You then look pretty dumb with the wheel(s) spinning and going nowhere. The owner's manual even shows jacking up the trear of the tractor by putting a block under the hitch, and using the hydraulics!



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Alvin n Ms.

01-15-2004 06:30:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Adding down pressure? in reply to CLAYTON IN FL., 01-14-2004 17:29:49  
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John Posted 01-15-2004 at 03:22:27 [Reply] [No Email] 68.222.4.163-356443 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- --
Alvin
Dad had a Belarus 250 with add on loader that he bought new in 1980 that I put many hours on.
The lever that worked the 3 point had lift, down pressure, and float that works just like a dozer blade if you know how that works.
The lever would be between your right knee and the dash and has a detent type valve and 4 positions.
We will call neutral or hold #2 position. This position is locked and the implement would not move up or down.
If you pushed lever up against dash (#1 position raise) it would lock there until you pulled it back into neutral or if 3 point reached top of travel it would pop back to neutral by it self. If you pulled the lever toward you (position #3) it would power down and had enough power to pick up on tractor if you did not take it out of this position. The #4 position was float and lever would lock in this position also. The implement would fall to the ground and could move up and down by it self with only the weight of the implement keeping it on the ground.
Hope This Helps
John
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Taylor Lambert Posted 01-14-2004 at 19:18:05 [Reply] [No Email] 68.216.45.235-356404 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- --
Alvin I got to use one a few months ago. It had a dash mounted lever between your remote levers and it gives down pressure. then the lever beside the seat runs the 3 point like a standard lift where you have the float for plowing and also a draft control to I think. One thing I hated was the auxhilary controls for the loader had the 3 point down pressure mounted between them and all levers were the same size. THe tractor I used was a bit clumsy but a good box blade tractor. My friend has one that doenst have the loader and I made a hydraulic top link and one hydraulic side link for tilting the boxblade. Along with the down pressure of the lift you can do some nice ground work.

Kurt : Ky Posted 01-14-2004 at 19:12:46 [Reply] [No Email] 66.38.61.17-356403 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- --
on my belarus my right lever on the console is to raise and lower the lift arms no down pressure.my outer hydraulic lever on side of my dash,will raise and lower the lift arms also but it has the down pressure. two seperate levers can control the lift arms just depends on what your using your tractor for at the time. hope this helps.

Davis in SC Posted 01-14-2004 at 22:10:50 [Reply] [No Email] 152.163.253.66-356432 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- --
Now we know about Belarus 3-point. Always wondered how it worked.. Thanks & Regards, Davis

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