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Carl Pennington

01-13-2004 12:52:56




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I'm thinking about buying a 2004 Ford F-450. Leaning towards the V-10 because I only drive the one-ton I have, 3 to 4000 miles per year, so I can't justify $5000.00 more for the diesel. I have read in other forums that the V-10 blows the spark plugs right out of the heads. Any comments or experiences. Thanks for the help. Carl




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MJ

01-14-2004 16:32:25




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
If you want a big gas motor with some power then, from what I've seen around here, the V-10 Dodge will bury a V-10 Ford.....the big Chevy is a contender even though it's a V-8 but then the Cummins is a 6 and a JD-60 is a twin but they all PULL hard. I'd get a 'seat of the pants' comparison with conditions as close to what you want it for as possible...don't forget to take gear ratios into account so you're not comparing one with 4:11s to one with a 3:10 or some such.

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LarryG

01-14-2004 16:21:41




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
..or you could go get yourself a real engine without plugs or bugs - that's a Cummins, but it comes in a Dodge!



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Bob

01-14-2004 08:42:53




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
No BRAND BASHING, just the facts...


Ford V-10 ... 6.8 litres

Chevy V-8 ... 8.1 litres



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T_Bone

01-14-2004 07:31:44




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
Hi Carl,

Payback on my 02 F350 DRW PSD 6spd 4x4 is about 70k miles of my planned schedule of 20mpg empty and 10mpg towing. So far I'm exceeding that as I'm getting 14mpg pulling 16k GCW and get 19.2mpg empty.

I drive differant than most as I drive for fuel ecomony at all times by pulling at maximum torque rpm or 1600rpm on my 7.3. On grades I found that 1750rpm actually pulls best. I recently did two 1900mile AZ to Co trips, thats 1400ft to 11000ft, and got 13.9mpg on the Aug trip and 14.1mpg average on the Oct trip pulling my 16k GCW load. Towing was 1300 miles out of 1900 miles. Same trip on my gasser was 7.2mpg average.

My gasser fuel cost was $2088 for 2001 and $713 for my PSD in 2003 for approx the same total miles driven. These were the only two years that I pulled the same load each time as I rarely drive empty.

I Can't compare maintance as my big block gasser was 27yrs old but oil change cost on my PSD is $68yr for 10k miles.

There's no preformance comparrison between my gasser and my PSD as the PSD just out pulls the gasser hands down. Pulling a 8% grade my gasser was at 25mph maximum and 35mph for my PSD but the PSD could have pullled at 55mph had I wanted to add the extra fuel.

The reason you will see mileage reports all over the place is most are using the overhead puter (known not to be accurate) for reporting mileage where as I use filler neck to filler neck hand calculations.

There is also a training period that you need to do with all drive by wire fuel systems. There very picky on how there driven for fuel mileage.

I personally would go rent a V-10, then pull a load for a couple hundred miles then go rent a PSD and pull the same load over the same road. I think you'll end up buying the diesel.

T_Bone

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GY

01-14-2004 07:08:07




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
Yep, they need those extra 2 cylinders just to keep up with a V-6 Chevy. Just kidding! But seriously, with the 2 Fords I have owned that has proven to me that they are just rolling pieces of JUNK. Had more trouble with one of them than I have every GM truck I have had combined. GM and John Deere, don't get no better than that!



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Mike M

01-14-2004 07:51:41




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 Re: Re: Ford V-10 in reply to GY, 01-14-2004 07:08:07  
I have worked for both GM and John Deere dealerships. John Deere is good GM is not . Check out the auto / truck reliabilty ratings at
MSN web site.



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Brad in VA

01-14-2004 05:40:35




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
My father has a 2001 Ford F-250 with the V10 and 3.73gears and 5 speed trans. It is a horse. But as far as low end, no it dont have what the powerstroke does. I hated driving the V10 at first but once I figured out that you just have to run it like a diesel then it is fine. You just have to keep it wound up. We went from here in VA up through West Virginia on 77 and we were pulling a flat bed with 2 massey harris 44's and a friend of ours was pulling a flat bed with 1 massey harris 44 and he was driving a 2001 F-350 with a powerstroke and we left him on every mountain. But he passed us a the gas station. When we got back he was so discusted he went and ordered a new 2003 with the 6.0 liter powerstroke. To sum it up I own a 97 powerstroke and it has all kinds of heart I love it. Both my 97 and dads 2001 are good trucks. The biggest things you have to worry/think about is this 1) maintenance is higher on the diesel. 2) only driving one 4000 to 5000 a year is going to be hard on a diesel. 3) The new powerstroke are having trouble. The friend of mine that ordered his has had 2 motors in it in 35,000 I was going to order one but am holding off untill they get the bugs out, but the more I drive dads I may buy a V10. My 2 cents

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farmall300u

01-13-2004 22:14:59




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
I have two F250SD, one V10 and one Powerstroke, 2002 both with 3.73 gears and automatics. Powerstroke is twice the truck the V10 is. I pull a 10,000 trailer and the Powerstroke wins hands down. You can pull up most hills and the diesel never downshifts like the V10. Powerstroke gets 16-17 mpg empty and the V10 10-12 mpg empty. On trailering 10,000 lb trailer, Powerstroke gets 10-11 mpg doing 75 and the V10 8-9mpg. One disadvantage of the diesel is the 15qts of oil and the big filter, neither are cheap.

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John R

01-13-2004 19:03:25




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
I've got two Ford V-10's, And would buy another tommorrow is needed. One has 26,000 and is just getting broken in and starting to tow real good. The other has 110,000 and has been towing for some time. I pull around 10-12,000lbs. and have plenty power to spare. I have to set cruise just to avoid speeding tickets. My buddies have Chevys and cant get past 8 MPG. I usually get 10.5 towing and 12-14 mpg empty. I have 3.73 gears in both. Just got back from Florida with Excursion pulling 30 ft. 9800 lb travel trailer and averaged 10.73 for entire trip. As for the plug problems, I have'nt had any and understand you really need to torque sparkies when replacing. Any aluminum head will spit plugs if not installed properly.

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Tank

01-13-2004 17:37:16




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
I have a ford 550 work truck with v-10 don't buy one-gutless no low end torque.Look for a Chevy with 7.4 or 8.1.



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RusselAZ

01-13-2004 16:54:20




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
Well, don't worry about the spark plugs for about 70,000 miles, or at your rate of driving, 20 years. The ones that blow out do so because some do it yourselfer thinks "well, if tight is good, a little more won't hurt".



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Pete

01-13-2004 15:32:01




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 Re: Ford V-10 in reply to Carl Pennington, 01-13-2004 12:52:56  
My information comes from a friend who has a Ford V 10 in a motor home, not personal experience. He says the problem with blowing plugs arises when the spark plugs are changed and over-torqued in the aluminum head. The key to avoiding this problem appears to be correct torque on installation. Once blown, the fix is to heli-coil the hole and reinstall.



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