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Kermit

08-08-2000 11:17:20




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I've noted with interest the recent postings about different brands of hand tools. I have purchased quite a few Craftsman brand tools. I have always believed that while maybe not as nice as Snap On or MAC they were more than adequate for average farm / homeowner use. Would anybody care to express their opinions about Craftsman tools? Thanks.




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Becki

07-03-2002 11:29:42




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
YES, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. A FRIEND OF MINE HAS AN OLD CRAFTSMAN TABLE SAW FROM THE 60'S AND IS TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT IT'S WORTH BUT I HAVE HAD PROBLEMS TRYING TO FIND ANY SITE THAT MIGHT GIVE ME AN IDEA ON IT'S WORTH. I COULD SURE USE SOME HELP, PLEASE. THANK YOU, BECKI



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Breeeze

06-17-2002 21:15:04




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
Does anyone know who actually makes Craftsman hand tools? I do know that craftsman has never, ever, manufactured a single thing. Blacken Decker used to make their electric power tools (they may still make them). I'd like to know who makes the wrenches, sockets, etc. I've heard that Husky does and has for the last 57 years but I can't prove it.



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Bob Smith

06-17-2002 10:50:45




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
I have a old solid oak craftsman tool box..it has a lift out front that opens to 8 small drawers and the top opens..any ideas when this was offered by sears??? Thanks



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Clifford Caldwell

02-19-2002 12:18:36




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
How do I go about researching craftsman patents? I have a tool that apears to be made for some type of angle cut, with a guage for 90 degres,45-0-45 mounted on a short piece of angle iron,then attached to a spring loaded retractable arm.pat#3903774. Any help to identify this tool is appreciated. I can't find anyone who knows what it is. Thank You.



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phillip cooper

10-11-2001 08:48:20




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
looking for information on a unique craftsman
ratchet found. 6 inches long with the ratchet
in the center, with a vertical black handle on one end. no numbers to give, only says Forged
in the U.S.A. = v = Please advise.



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lewis

07-23-2002 21:07:07




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 Re: Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to phillip cooper, 10-11-2001 08:48:20  

it is called a speed ratchet made in the early 60"s came in 3 sizes,1/4-3/8 and a1/2 inch drive 1/4 inch and the 3/8 drivesold for $1.58 each and the 1/2 inch drive sold for $2.23 hope this info is helpful



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Chris Smth

09-28-2001 20:13:01




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
The torque wrench #44597 has a defective grip. Would not recommend using it unless kept in a controlled climate.
The micro torque wrench #44595 has an affixed handle with a locking ring which makes it quite acceptable for torques up to 250 ft. lbs.



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Rev. MHVA

05-14-2001 16:59:15




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
Some of my fondest childhood memories are of following my father around on the farm as he used his box of Craftsman tools. Dad always swore by Craftsman and made me a believer. Dad died last October and in cleaning up his barn I have found that the precious tools are missing. They were a complete set of tools given him by the Army upon his discharge at the end of the war. I have grieved over the tools, but after taking apart everything, they are presumed stolen. I need to know an approximate value so I can report it to the insurance. I appreciate your help.
MHVA

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Rockerfeller

08-08-2000 23:19:34




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
I like Craftsman hand tools. The price is right, the quality is good, and the warranty is tops. About a month ago I was in a pawn shop and saw an old and very rusty 1/2" Craftsman breaker bar. The guy took $2 for it and I took it to Sears. They gave me a new bar. Couple of weeks later I took the new bar back and got about $25 credit on tools I really needed.



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Nathan(GA)

08-08-2000 19:15:17




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
I still have a set of craftsman tools that I bought in '76. I've broken only 2 sockets, and that's because I had a pull handle with a pipe on it. They replaced them with no questions asked. I used to work in an industrial plant with lots of chemicals and water everywhere. For that I bought a set of taiwan wrenches ($18) 1/4-1 1/4 and a set of proto deep well impact sockets. Both served me very well. The cheap wrenches held up better than expected, only some chrome came off, but they were used around caustic chemicals. Just use whatever you like and don't worry about what anyone else thinks.

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BFO

08-08-2000 14:07:50




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
I'm almost afraid to respond, after the previous posts about Proto tools. But when I had to keep two boxes, my Craftsman set went to the shop, and they worked fine. Clearance wasn't a problem, and if they sprouted legs and walked away, I wasn't out too much. The same can't be said for my IR impact that is now hidden in someone elses box@%@$!%^!. For the farm though, I went with Proto Professional tools with TorquePlus (similar to Snap-on's Flank Drive). The sockets have taken off fasteners that I would have had to torch using other sockets, I'm really impressed. The Proto ratchets are perfect for the tractor tool box, where all the abuse is, no cheater too long, and belive me they've been USED. For the shop, nothing beats Snap-on ratchets. I prefer the Proto wrenches over the Snap-on, they are a little rounder, easier to use with a touch of the Arthur.
I guess it all boils down to what your requirements are, and what your budget is. There's certainly nothing wrong with Craftsman for home/farm use, in most cases, it's not the tool, but the person using it. My 1.32 cents

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Lou

08-09-2000 13:58:26




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 Re: Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to BFO, 08-08-2000 14:07:50  
Hi BFO,

You said:

"The same can't be said for my IR impact that is now hidden in someone elses box@%@$!%^!."

I do hope that the IR impact I bought at the flea market a few years back was not once yours!

You said:

"For the shop, nothing beats Snap-on ratchets. I prefer the Proto wrenches over the Snap-on, they are a little rounder, easier to use with a touch of the Arthur."

I really appreciate this info. I have long liked Proto, but never figured that it was a good a line as Snap-On, I guess I'll have to look a bit more closely at their TorquePlus line!

If they have these in the sets I am looking to aquire, perhaps I can get them new instead of buying used Snap-On and Mac stuff....

I have also heard something about S-K bringing out such a line, would you know any more about that than I do? As my first socket set was an S-K I suppose I have a soft spot for them. :-)

While I generally agree with you about Snap-On ratchets, my old Craftsman have a knob on the back of the round head which allows you to spin the scoket quickly, a feature I really like, so I tend to use them unless I need a specialty ratchet...

Anyway, I sure thank you for the info. you have posted, and would appreciate any further info. you might be able to supply me.

Lou

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BFO

08-09-2000 15:55:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Lou, 08-09-2000 13:58:26  
Sorry Lou, don't know anything about S-K, never had any. My first tool sets were Craftsman, from the late seventies, with the old pear shaped ratchet heads. Never had a problem, but they have their limitaions. The impact sockets were bad in my opinion, and that's when I started buying Proto. You'll find that most heavy industries use Proto. If you look at the Proto impact universal, you'll see it's a pinless design, indestructable (so far). As for regular sockets, I can now use a 12 point (very thin walled) without stripping, where I'd have to try and force a 6 point Craftsman, or unfortunately a torch. The Torqueplus definitley works. Also, I needed sizes over 1 1/2" standard, and to 46mm in metric. The Proto sets were less than half the price of Snap-on, with the same warranty. I was able to buy Snap-on ratchets, and torque wrenches, and a few specialty tools, with the money saved on the Proto tools. Something I use quite a bit are allen sockets, 3/8, and 1/2 drive, both standard and metric. I am forever chasing down the Snap-on truck for replacements, while I have yet to break a Proto. To sum it up, if I have to remove a fastener, I'll put the Craftsman wrench on the bolt head, and the Proto on the nut, works every time! Once again, just my humble opinion. Good luck with the tool aquisition, and if you can save even more buying used, that's even better. You can never have enough tools.

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Lou

08-10-2000 04:09:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to BFO, 08-09-2000 15:55:19  
Hi BOF,

Your experiance with Snap-On allens was the same as mine with Craftsman allens... I had hoped to buy Snap-On and leave those troubles behind me... I guess I'll try Proto instead! Thanks so much for the info., experiance is a great teacher, and it's often better to learn from the experiances of others. It can be a lot less expensive too. :-)

Lou



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Lou

08-08-2000 12:54:01




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
Hi Kermit,

I suppose everyone has their own 2 cents worth, and this is mine. I believe that Snap-On tend to be the best of the best, Mac being second, and I tend to lump Bonney, Matco, and Cornwell together.

All the above are sold as automotive and industrial tools, Craftsman now also has a line they are touting as professional or automotive I believe, but I do not know much about them.

While I am only in the "industry" as a buyer of personal tools, and lack "inside" information, I have been exposed to the tools mentioned, except Cromwell.

Automotive tools, in my opinion, are a stronger and more specialized breed of tool. The jaws on these wrenches tend to spread less under high torque situation, often they are also designed to grab the heads of nuts and bolts better too, as they tend to apply pressure to the flat surfaces of these devices while other industrial lines tend to apply pressure to the corners, resulting in more rounding of bolt heads, etc.

I have heard good things about the S-K line these days, it would seem that they are also applying more pressure to the flat surfaces of bolts with, at least, some of their line.

I admit to a more limited exposure to the Snap-On/Mac/Matco, etc, line of screwdrivers pliers etc. than to their wrenches and ratchets. My current favorite line of screwdrivers is the Craftsman professional line, the orange handled ones, when they have them, are tops on my list. I have only used older Snap-On screwdrivers and was not impressed, I was actually disappointed with one of their phillips screwdrivers.

As I work as a repair man in industry, I actually maintain several tool boxes. I have what I call my industrial box, which is full of Craftsman, Kobalt, and other tools, and I have my automotive boxes that I maintain at home, and use for working on cars, and everything else. The better tools are just too expensive to use in an industrial environment, unless the employer is supplying them. :-)

If I round off a bolt at work, it is not my money that will be spent correcting it, not that I ever desire that to happen, where as if I were to have a set of Snap-On tools stolen, it would be my money that would have to replace them, as most employers will not replace stolen tools. I suspect that this is because historically many repairmen have lied about stolen tools, or claimed that a tool they lost was stolen. In any event, the employer that does not supply tools, or replace stolen tools, gets what they pay for.

Anyway, the bottom line is that I use both, and when I am on my dime, I want the best tool going. Thus, I tend to use Snap-On, Mac, Matco, et. al., because my experiance has been that these tools will work when others will not. Though, as I stated in another post, I tend to use my older Craftsman ratchet more than my Mac, Snap-On, or Matco ones, unless a special ratchet is needed. I'd not give you 2 cents for the quick release Craftsman ratchets they are selling these days, which is why I stick to Kobalt at work, my older Craftsmen ratchets stay home! :-)

I am sure there will be many arguments made pro and con on this issue. Many people tend to take their tools personally. Only God can tell you why that is I suppose. :-)

Lou

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Steve

08-08-2000 12:51:30




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
I use Craftsman among other brands for mostly automotive purposes. They have worked well for me. I have only had to return a few sockets, with no hassle. For major power tools, I would more than likely choose other brands.



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Larry Garbarek

08-08-2000 12:27:22




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
Craftsman is the world's largest selling brand of hand tools.

I suspect they are doing something right!

Yet, hundreds of other handtool manufacturers exist and even thrive in Craftsman's territory as no single brand is all things to everyone.



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Burrhead

08-08-2000 12:01:40




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 Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Kermit, 08-08-2000 11:17:20  
When I had to keep a tool box at the shop I used Snap On and Crapsman.

When I retired and have to go to town after tools instead of wait on a truck to run I use Crapsman exclusivly. The Crapsman is more than good enough for just about anything you will run across.

If it should break a Crapsman wrench or round out or bend just take it back and get a no hassle new wrench.

Thumbs Up.



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Dick

08-08-2000 15:26:18




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 Re: Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Burrhead, 08-08-2000 12:01:40  
I'll echo most previous statements by saying dollar for dollar it is hard to beat Craftsman
tools. Initial price, quality, warranty, close by store locations all spell good service. I bought my first Craftsman tools in 1966, I still have the ones I didn't lose. BTW I have a 3/8 drive Thorsen ratchet I bought in 1972 that I wouldn't part with. That'll get a laugh out of someone, but it feels good, is longer than most 3/8 ratchets and I like it.

I've always felt Snap-on and MAC were over priced, but a mechanic buying them can by on credit, the dealer comes right to your shop in that big fancy (read expensive!) van that you are paying for with your purchase. Snap-On tools are US made in factories located generally in lower paying wage areas. The worker is not getting a huge share of the Snap-On dollar.

Caterpillar, even though they have their own tool line, uses Proto and Williams tools for assembly work, they are good.

For all around work I'll stick with Craftsman. D

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Lou

08-09-2000 13:47:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Craftsman tools. in reply to Dick, 08-08-2000 15:26:18  
Hi Dick,

You said:

"BTW I have a 3/8 drive Thorsen ratchet I bought in 1972 that I wouldn't part with. That'll get a laugh out of someone, but it feels good, is longer than most 3/8 ratchets and I like it."

While my very first set of sockets was an S-K 1/2" dirve, it disappeared from home when I joined the Navy, my second set of tools was largely Thorsen, most of which, I have now given to my son.

I don't think that anyone can argue that Snap-On, Mac, and Proto are not over priced. There is no doubt in my mind that they are.

I very rarely buy my Snap-On, Mac, and Matco tools new, for that would, at my income level, equate to insanity. :-) Snap-On has wrench sets going for as much as $500.00 these days! One well dressed out tool box with a full set of tools sells for $20,000.00!

My present "wish" list is worth around $3,000.00 retail, I expect to pay around $1,000.00 for them on the used market. If Craftsman made them all, I suspect they would still cost nearly 7 or 8 hundred dollars from them.

Unlike Craftsman, it can take a month or 2 for me to get a replacement for one of these tools. But, unlike Craftsman, they have been able to remove bolts where Craftsman has not....

Thus, for me, the slight increase in cost, though I am having to buy used tools, which means I do not get the prettiest tools and nice packages, is worth it. I must say that what one poster here has said about Proto's high end line, coupled with the fact that Stanley/Proto is supposed to be making the Matco line, makes me wonder if Proto might not be a bit better than I had thought. While I generally like Craftsman as an industrial tool, I have also generally thought Proto to be a good line of industrial tools, perhaps they are even a bit better then that...

I suspect that, like me, until you actually see Snap-On succeed where Craftsman has failed, you will continue to prefer Craftsman, as did I... Nothing wrong with that. If one can not prove that one brand is better, than it makes no sense to buy the over priced brands. I used to think that people that bought Snap-On were extremely foolish, and now I am one of them. :-)

Lou

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