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Alvin n Ms.

01-09-2004 21:07:58




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We were using a 3 1/2 in socket today, and it was cracked previously. It took all a new $800.00 1 in IR impact,could deliver, as we had to heat the nut before it would turn loose. Should we try welding this socket, or leave it be ? I sure would hate to be hit by flying scrapnel.alvinnms




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Jeff

01-10-2004 19:43:02




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 Re: Cracked socket in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-09-2004 21:07:58  
From a legal liability aspect, toss it.

If you knowingly use a damaged piece of equipment, and when it destructs hurts
someone else... well you know the rest of this
story...



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Bus Driver

01-10-2004 15:54:36




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 Re: Cracked socket in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-09-2004 21:07:58  
If the working clearance for the socket permits, a ring machined for press fit around the lower outer edge of the socket and then just tacked in place should prevent further cracking. It would prevent the thing from exploding.



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Wayne

01-10-2004 00:07:04




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 Re: Cracked socket in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-09-2004 21:07:58  
If it's cracked, even just a little, I wouldn't use it at all like it is. I don't know what somebody would have put on the socket you have that would have broken it. I've got a 3 1/2" impact socket on my service truck, along with a good 1" drive IR impact and the compressor to run it(85CFM @150PSI), and another hand operated impact called a Swench wrench that delivers 2000ftlb of torque, and neither of them would even begin to break that socket. A few years ago we had to remove some 1 1/4"x18"long counterweight bolts that were being stubborn. We started with two 4to1 torque multipliers back to back for 16to1 out. We unfortunately had to go through a 1 1/4" to 1" drive because we didn't have a 1 1/4" drive socket the right size. We twisted the adapter off and the socket never grunted. We wound up having to make a 2' long push bar with a #5 spline drive on it out of 1" plate and putting a 20ton Enerpac ram under it to break them loose. Granted the second go round was a spline drive vs a 1" square, but the socket withstood the force of a 20 ton ram at the tip of a 2' lever without breaking. Neither of these sockets were nearly as beefy as the 3 1/2 I've got, so I know it should withstand all that and then some. In fact I believe the crane we just worked on had some studs with nuts close to that size and they were supposed to be torqued at nearly 7000ftlb. From that perspective what a 1" drive of any make puts out torque wise would be insignificant. If yours is a name brand, meaning warranted, I'd take it back and try getting it replaced because there had to be something wrong with it from the factory, otherwise I'd hate to see what somebody had on it to break it..... If it's a "cheap" socket and warranty isn't an option I don't see where welding it up would be a problem as long as you had somebody do it that knew what they were doing. Just about anything can be repaired as good as or better than new if it's done right. If you don't know anybody qualified to repair it, then scrap it and get a new one. Just remember if it was a cheap socket and you do fix it then all you have now is a repaired, cheap socket...in reality are you any better off than before...you have to make the ultimate decision for yourself.... just remember, like you said, flying scrapnel isn't any fun...Just my .02

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Alvin n Ms.

01-10-2004 06:53:32




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 Re: Re: Cracked socket in reply to Wayne, 01-10-2004 00:07:04  
Thanks Wayne, we were mostly wondering if the heat from the weld would make it brittle, and more prone to disintegrating. alvinnms



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Wayne

01-10-2004 23:47:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Cracked socket in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-10-2004 06:53:32  
Hey Alvin, I got a little long winded there, but considering what all I've put on sockets over the years, I would really like to see what was put on a socket that big to break it, especially if it was an impact socket. If like MT is talking about it's a chrome socket, cracked or not using it on an impact should have been a no no since chrome sockets by nature are more brittle and prone to shatter than impact sockets... being a full time mechanic though I know it gets done all the time, more out of necessity caused by some dumb a$$ engineer than anything else. Like I said though, a welder that knows what he is doing should be able to fix anything with a repair that is at least as good as or better than the origional piece, if it is actually worth fixing.....

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Alvin n Ms.

01-11-2004 19:45:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cracked socket in reply to Wayne, 01-10-2004 23:47:08  
We have been using the socket to take the nuts off of cat. hyd cylinder rods, and was suprised find it cracked. Its almost as heavy as the impact wrench. Thanks to everyone, for the information. Happy trails. alvinnms



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MT Pockets

01-10-2004 21:13:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Cracked socket in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-10-2004 06:53:32  
Alvin, if that were my socket I would braze it. Grind the chrome off, vee the crack, and braze it up. I guarantee you it will hold. Thanks. MT.



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T_Bone

01-10-2004 10:51:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Cracked socket in reply to Alvin n Ms., 01-10-2004 06:53:32  
Hi Alvin,

Depends on the steel but gerneraly yes they can be welded. You will need to aneal the socket before welding. Heat to a dull orange and let air cool, weld, then reharden then retemper.

See the below post on making large scokets.

T_Bone



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