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Rust between welded panels

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Tom

01-08-2004 08:22:59




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I don't know too much about welding, but I need to scab in some 2" angle iron (1/8" thick) on a rusted frame. I plan on wire brushing all surfaces before welding, but I'm concerned about rust between the scabbed in metal, and the trailer frame.

I there some magic goop I can spread on the hidden surfaces that will prevent or slow rust after the welding is done?

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Tom




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poor tom

01-09-2004 05:28:20




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 Re: Rust between welded panels in reply to Tom, 01-08-2004 08:22:59  
My 1985 chevy van has been sprayed with oil underneath and in all the hidden areas every fall. No rust- truck is in great shape. Undercoating paint just hides the rust underneath. Oil wiil push out any water on your frame preventing rust. Do it regularly. Also don't use any brazing metals or mix metals. If it's steel use steel, alum.- alum.! Otherwise you will create a weak galvonic reaction and it will corrode fast!

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gregg

01-09-2004 03:18:19




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 Re: Rust between welded panels in reply to Tom, 01-08-2004 08:22:59  
Hello:Tom,the old frame should be cleaned with a small grinder and be a shiny as a nickel. After you finish welding,if the bead is not continual,you can buy a can of Rust Check or Krown oil undercoating. Pressure wash and re-oil twice a year. GREGG



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T_Bone

01-08-2004 10:26:27




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 Re: Rust between welded panels in reply to Tom, 01-08-2004 08:22:59  
Hi Tom,

You will need to grind away the rust 1" on either side of the weld "before welding", then apply cold galv after welding.

What can happen, more often than not, when you weld over rust and scale it leaves been those impurities with-in the weld thus leaving a very weak weld joint. When you weld over oil and grease that adds carbon to the weld thus causes the weld to crack when cooled or the weld becomes very brittle.

T_Bone

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Tom

01-08-2004 11:01:32




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 Re: Re: Rust between welded panels in reply to T_Bone, 01-08-2004 10:26:27  
I wasn't clear enough about the area I was concerned about. I planned on having everything as clean and shiny as possible before welding. What I was concerned about was the backside of the angle iron, and the area on the C-channel frame it will cover up AFTER the welding is completed. There will not be any way to get to these surfaces after the welding is complete.

I really doubt I can weld it air tight, so I was worried about it rusting from the inside out. Do you know of any magic goop I can apply to these soon-to-be-inaccessible areas BEFORE welding that will tolerate the heat, and keep rust from forming?

Thanks,
Tom

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Johnski

01-09-2004 13:36:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Rust between welded panels in reply to Tom, 01-08-2004 11:01:32  
Tom, Go to our local welding supply and ask them for a can of weld-thru coating. It is used to spray on the backs of body panels as a rust-proofer before welding them together. The heat of welding does'nt affect the coating.



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ray

01-08-2004 10:23:58




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 Re: Rust between welded panels in reply to Tom, 01-08-2004 08:22:59  
You could try the phosphoric solutions sold in most parts and hardware stores -- I have the same issue on a F350 I've been putting back together and thats the only route I can see going without opening another can of worms --POR15 has a three part paint prep thats suppose to be good at containing rust.



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