My Mouth Hit The Counter

I went to the most economical lumber yard in 100 miles yesterday and bought a dab of knotty pine to finish off the inside of my garage.

1047 bd ft cost me over $1200!!! Damn! Do I miss the 20th Century!!

Allan

"1047 bd ft cost me over $1200!!!"
$1200./ 1047 = $1.15 a bd ft

For a 1x4 it takes 6 liner feet to make 1 bd ft.
So that means a 8' piece of 1X4 cost $1.53
$1.15 / 6 X 8 = $1.53
Now here is the catch; a piece of #2 construction grade pine cost more than $1.53 and has for years.

So lets try it a differant way.
1 bd ft milled 3/4" thick will cover 2 square ft.
So that means he paid $0.575 per sq ft
$1.15 / 2 = $0.575
A piece of plywood is 32 sq ft.
$0.575 X 32 = $18.40 per sheet
3/4" CDX was $15 to $16 a sheet before prices increased and is over $27 a sheet now.

So will someone tell me where I am adding wrong because I think he got a good deal by my adding. I got to be missing something somewhere.

Happy Mardi Gras
John

I'm being misleading here I know, 'cause I don't know anything about lumber. But, I can count money and I kinda miss the $1200. :>)

I call it knotty pine; it is actually 8" V-groove lap siding (I'm just gonna throw a coat of varnish at it) and I agreed to buy it in random lengths 'cause it was cheaper that way. So they sent lengths ranging anywhere from 6' to 16'.

Is that the difference, ya 'spose?

Allan

So, now 2 different outfits have handled this product.

So, it has a cleaner look to it than normal knotty pine does.

I'm going to put up a picture of it when I get done in a couple of days to prove to the world that I'm damned sure no carpenter.

The wife has agreed to help me throw on the poly....gotta hurry and get it done before she finds out it was her money I spent. :>)

Allan

Happy Mardi Gras
John

Fact is, this week would be perfect 'cause I have an extra claw hammmer needing an operator.

Run that old M up on your trailer and come on up. :>)

Snowin' down there yet? 'Bout an inch so far this morning here.

Allan

• sweet Allis

Knotty pine is also a speciality item.

Just another hidden cost of the war. Hidden to everyone but the builders and current buyers of houses.

B

0. You seem to be on some kind of rampage to blame everything that's wrong with the U.S. on the Clinton's. That's just plain weird.

1. You seem to believe that it's O.K. to log every bit of old growth forest. However, it's important to note that doing so depletes the genetic diversity only found in old growth forests... if a time comes when there is catastrophic disease in single species, regrowth forests, we will need the genetic diversity of these forests to study how forests have evolved and to provide seed stock for new forests. Science does not have all the answers. These forests have taken thousands of years to evolve. Once they're gone, that's it. What if your grandson/granddaughter (assuming you have children) wanted to be a botanist or a biologist and was capable of greatness... wouldn't you want him/her to have the best !?! If we destroy everything which they could use for research, their possibilities are limited before they even begin. Humans do not understand everything they are doing to the earth. Why accelerate our destruction of the planet.

2. It makes these areas prone to erosion... polluting of salmon runs, water systems, etc.

3. At the time the decision was made to set aside these areas, huge quantites of logs were being shipped to Asia unprocessed. The U.S. is importing Asian made furniture in ever increasing quantities. I just heard that imports of Asian furniture more than doubled from 2000 to 2002. Environmentally conservative people would be a little bit more receptive to selective logging if the logs were processed into their final products in the U.S. thereby creating American jobs and helping American people.

4. It was calculated that any potential profit returned to the taxpayer would be more than consumed by the cost to build the roads and subsidize the logging. It's that kind of policy that leads to economic disaster for a great Nation.

5. If sustainable forestry is working (as you state), I am not convinced that we need to go after these old growth forests. There should be enough areas yielding lumber already� considering that more than 90% of the old growth forests have already been logged. If replants are not keeping up with demand we need to ask why.

Please rechannel your Clinton bashing on this board. If people dislike Clinton, you're preaching to the choir (so to speak). Bill Clinton made mistakes. No one will deny that. But, you never provide any equal analysis of the Bush administration... and there are volumes of material at your disposal on this topic. There are many, many political sites on which you can bash Clinton.

This is a tool talk board. If you have a point to make, fine. But things are not as simple as blaming everything on someone else. You will be more appreciated if you provide some positive, helpful comments.

1.I did not say that it is alright to log every acre of old growth forest as you have missread my post to say. However there are thousands of acres within national forests for the studies you've mentioned before millions more were set aside during the Clinton administration. As to humans not knowing everything that they are doing to the earth, neither do the gurus who want us to leave it all alone to test their theories over the next how ever many years. They are just guessing. If you don't believe in the cutting of trees try wiping with plastic.

2. The only way logging makes an area more prone to errosion is by clear cutting, not by select cutting of timber.

3.At the time these areas were set aside over 100,000 americans did lose their jobs as they were tied to the logging industry. So how did stopping the logging help the American worker?

4.Where did you get the numbers and could I see the report?

5.First if logging is done correctly there is no need for replanting as the trees will do this themselves. Second if there is a need for replanting you are talking about clear cut logging and not select cutting. Third, without sufficient area to cut it puts more pressure on areas that can be logged, and drives the price of lumber up.

As to your last two paragraphs, they are somewhat confusing. First you tell me I shouldn't bash Clinton but then provide an equally irrelevent comment bringing Bush into the picture. Also if there is something I put on here that offends you, you have every right and opportunity to move on to someone elses post. If you choose to make comments regarding something I say on here it's your right but, to answer back is also my right. Get used to it or get over it!

I guess I'll have to change my tree-huggin' ways.

I go a step beyond your recommendation. My interest is continuous yield. Cutting trees every year, forever. When I asked the state forester about that, he said he'd never heard of the concept. That's when we started talking about logging practices. I don't sell logs, only dried boards. When you take a look at the after-tax income, nothing else makes much sense unless you have immense land holdings. The state forester had never run into the idea and left shaking his head. Selling boards is really not uncommon for large timber companies who own their own forests, but is ususual for private landowners.

My approach is to determine how many board feet are in a tree and then look to maximize my income. I net roughly $1000/ tree more after the small cutting and drying investment. And, as I live in the woodlot, an added benefit is to not have the ugly devastation. I'm well paid for the extra time spent not damaging surrounding trees. One thing I do get is lots of attention from loggers who are interested in only one thing, their bottom line, not the condition of my forest. From what I've seen, the same is true not only for private land, but also for the National Forests both here and in the west.

I also agree that if you can sell the finished product you'll be farther ahead than selling raw timber. Much like a farmer proccessing milk and selling to stores rather than selling raw milk in bulk to dariies. Value added products will always get you the best return for your efforts.

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