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Bill

01-05-2004 07:13:47




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I was watching Discovery on building Choppers (motorcycles). I noticed that sometime they weld with a mig and sometime they use a arc with gas welding rod. What is the difference in the weld? Can using the gas rod take place of the mig on sheet metal? I am not to old to learn I just can't remember what I am taught.
Thank you, Bill




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T_Bone

01-06-2004 17:26:11




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Bill, 01-05-2004 07:13:47  
Hi Bill,

What you probably saw was GTAW, Gas tungsten Arc Welding, old name of Tig. The gas welding rod you refer too is called filler rod. Yes Tig can be used on SM very well.

Tig is a very precise controled arc when comparred to all other welding processes. Cycle frames use thinn metal tube along with a small diameter. With other welding processes it's difficult to control weld penetration as well as weld puddle size and contour on this type of weld application but with the Tig process both can be easy achived.

I've written several articles on Tig welding on this forum. Do a search for, T_Bone, and you'll find them easy.

If that don't answer your questions post back with your new questions.

T_Bone

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9njoe

01-06-2004 10:08:57




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Bill, 01-05-2004 07:13:47  
Bill,

I have a miller syncrowave 180SD, it does TIG and Stick. Argon is sooooo expensive and once I learned both ways, I use stick almost all the time. TIG is great for aluminum but for steel, save yourself some money and go with stick. You have to clean up after but it is much faster and cheaper. Also if current is an issue, I can easily weld 1/2 plate with stick but tig takes twice the current to do the same thickness.

Try getting on the miller web site, www.millerwelds.com

They should have some info for you about the various processes.

Joe

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JACK

01-06-2004 06:48:11




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Bill, 01-05-2004 07:13:47  
TIG WELDING GIVES YOUR A VERY GOOD WELD WITHOUT SPLATER THAT MIG DOES.



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D.L.

01-05-2004 19:19:16




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Bill, 01-05-2004 07:13:47  
You may have heard of it in years past as "heli- arc" which was a trade name... the main advantage is that you get a very strong weld with a VERY small "Heat Affected Zone" which means minimal warp, distortion, brittleness and cracking.



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Lil-Farmer

01-05-2004 15:01:30




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Bill, 01-05-2004 07:13:47  
TIG is also the preferred method for chrome moly steel, used in aircraft, race car frames, and motorcycles.



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markct

01-05-2004 08:42:48




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 Re: Welding question in reply to Bill, 01-05-2004 07:13:47  
usualy when they use the seperate filler rod it is TIG welding they are doing, thats Tungston Inert Gas basicly a small arc is struck between a non consumable tungston electrode and the metal, this makes the heat to form the puddle and then filler rod is just fed into this, much more controlable than stick or mig welding and the whole thing is covered in an inert gas shield as it is being welded to prevent impurities in the weld.

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Mel Fuelling

01-06-2004 08:28:30




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 Re: Re: Welding question in reply to markct, 01-05-2004 08:42:48  
I have worked as a welder, been certified for tig, mig, and stick welding at various times. My experience has been that:
Usually a good mig gun will weld at least 3 times as many linear inches or feet as a tig outfit will in a given amount of time. Mig is usually used for higher volume production welding although some of the better quality hobby mig welders will do an excellent job on lighter materials. Tig is used where perfection is needed. Both systems are indoor systems unless it is an absolutely calm day. Wind will blow your gas shield away, contaminating your weld unless you use flux wire in a mig welder.
I prefer to use a good portable dc stick welder for most of my onfarm welding although I have to spend more time chipping slag. The best system for you depends on your facilities, priorities,and budget.

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Kujansu

01-07-2004 19:40:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding question in reply to Mel Fuelling, 01-06-2004 08:28:30  
Tig is what a real welder knows how to do. No "Gorilla" welds please :-)



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