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doorguy

12-28-2003 20:17:27




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I have an old anvil that is rounded off on the edges and I would like to know what kind of welding rod to use to build it back up? Thanks doorguy




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Bladesmith

01-01-2004 06:02:29




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 Re: anvil repair in reply to doorguy, 12-28-2003 20:17:27  
Heres a bladesmith talking.Me and few other guys redid a anvil.I think
we did a base run with 6010 rods.Burnt
it in real deep.After that we went over
it with a Huge Miller Mig using mild
steel wire with Argon.After I figure
out this thing I call a digital camera.
I'll show you a 399 pound anvil made in
Sewden in 1892 in great shape.Oh buy the
way a bladesmith makes handforged knives.

Just my few cents. Bladesmith

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Cliff (VA)

12-29-2003 18:30:33




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 Re: anvil repair in reply to doorguy, 12-28-2003 20:17:27  
I would not recommend welding to fix the top of an anvil unless you are going to do the entire face.

Traditional anvils were made by welding a piece of tool steel to the top of a wrought iron body. The anvil was then heated to red heat, quenched to harden the steel, and then tempered by bobbing it out of the slack tub, letting the residual heat in the wrought iron body warm the anvil up to the proper temper before a second quenching.

Imagine doing this with a 200# red hot anvil!

Welding will anneal the area around the weld and create a soft spot.

However, if you are going to cover the entire face of the anvil, using hardfacing welding rod, a suitable face hardness can be achieved even if the underlying steel is annealed. If you choose to do this I would recommend looking through the archives of www.keenjunk.com as there are detailed explainations on this site.

The normal way of fixing rounded or chipped edges is with a grinder. Be careful not to grind all the way through the steel top.

You need to know that most blacksmiths like at least one "softened" (rounded) edge on their anvil anyway.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

Cliff

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jimlll

12-29-2003 15:06:39




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 Re: anvil repair in reply to doorguy, 12-28-2003 20:17:27  
I was given a a 150# anvil that had deep gouges in the top as though someone had cut a piece of something atop it with an acetylene torch. I repaired it by sandblasting, then preheating with an old blow torch, then welding with E110x electrodes. I slowly reduced heat, then ground welds. I use this anvil frequently and have not had any problems.
The square hole, I believe it is called a Pritchell hole is worn on the edges. I would like to rebuild it but do not know how to grind the square corners.

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Fred OH

12-30-2003 09:34:55




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 Re: Re: anvil repair in reply to jimlll, 12-29-2003 15:06:39  
I once was describing a technical math problem with an old timer when he spoke up and said he knew how to square a hole..."drive a harrow tooth in a hog's butt" was his answer. Life was simpler in those days. I would rather build up the hardy hole attachment than to build up the anvil. Fred OH



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Cliff (VA)

12-29-2003 18:45:37




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 Re: Re: anvil repair in reply to jimlll, 12-29-2003 15:06:39  
Jim,

The square hole is the "Hardy Hole" used for holding bottom tools such as hardies (used for cutting stock) or fullers (used for drawing out longer). A pritchell hole is round and small ~3/8" and is used for clearance when doing activities like heading nails.

Rounding of the hardy hole is not normally a problem because bottom tools are pounded into the hole hot and formed to fit exactly when they are made. Grinding it out would also make it larger which may or may not be a problem.

If you really want to square it up, I would recommend a "diamond file" and a little hand work. Diamond impregnated files are available from industrial supply houses (Page 2447 of www.mcmaster.com).

Cliff

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uglyoldfatman

12-29-2003 15:02:47




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 Re: anvil repair in reply to doorguy, 12-28-2003 20:17:27  
Link
Check out this site Doorguy.
Go to "Junkyard" forum.
Then go to "Go to Junkyard Archive".
Go back to Jan. 1997, and start reading.
Takes a while, but there is a world of information there.
Most of the time, you will be told that unless you have pieces broken out of the top, leave it alone. You can take a large angel grinder, and a belt sander and do some with it, but you are only talking about 1/32 to 1/16 of an inch.
Good luck.

UG!

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Chris-se-ILL

12-29-2003 07:10:12




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 Re: anvil repair in reply to doorguy, 12-28-2003 20:17:27  
I do not know what kind of anvil you have, but most of the older anvils had a hardened steel plate forge-welded on the top (that is what gives it it's ring). That is why there should never be any electric arc welding or cutting (with cold chisel, or gas torch) against the top flat of the anvil. If you weld the sides/corners back with an arc welder, I would be surprised if you do not have problems of the area, that you welded, breaking off with usage. The heating and cooling of the welding process may crystalize the hardened top plate.

I have no answer as to what to do with the worn off corners. I have an old blacksmithing book that tells about anvils (the way they are made and their usage), I will see if I can find something in it!

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Chris-se-ILL

12-30-2003 22:03:01




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 Re: Re: anvil repair in reply to Chris-se-ILL, 12-29-2003 07:10:12  
Well doorguy, I finally got around to looking up some info on reworking an anvil. I found the following...

From the book; The Art of Blacksmithing, by Alex W. Bealer {ISBN 0-7858-0395-5} (page 68)

�Blows with too heavy a sledge can break off either horn or heel and greatly limit the usefulness of the anvil. Cheaper ones with a thin steel face of only 3/8ths inch or less will, after constant pounding, become swaybacked in the middle and useless for precision work. Even the good ones on occasion develop uneven places, or have the corners of the face chipped or rounded.

When this happened in the early days a careful smith dressed the anvil face on his own forge to restore its pristine quality. It took an hour or more, depending on the size of the anvil, to bring it to the orange heat necessary for dressing face and corners with hammer and flatter. Some smiths during this process delayed hardening the face until they had filed and rounded the corners in certain areas for special uses such as forging the edges of chisels. Then another hour or more in the forge brought the face to the cherry-red heat for hardening under a stream of water, and the smith was in business again.�

Hope this helps!

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T_Bone

12-29-2003 06:33:11




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 Re: anvil repair in reply to doorguy, 12-28-2003 20:17:27  
Hi Doorguy,

Boy a anvil would have to be well worn before I would build it back up. Alot of the older anvils were made for a specific trade. Example a blacksmith anvil was different shape than a sheetmetal anvil. This was to allow for making/finishing diffferent shapes that each trade used.

If you still want to build yours up, 7018 will do just fine.

T_Bone



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