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E. Borchardt

12-27-2003 10:23:13




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How do you change the rotation of a 6-71 Detroit diesel engine? Any suggested links?




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Wayne

12-27-2003 23:22:23




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 Re: Detroit Diesel Engine in reply to E. Borchardt, 12-27-2003 10:23:13  
Like one of the posts says there are 8 different ways an inline 53 or 71 series Detroit can be set up, but there is still only a Left and Right handed rotation. All the "technical" stuff has to do with which side the cam, blower, starter, and exhaust are on. The cam will always be on the opposite side from the exhaust for refference purposes. Depending on which one of the 4 RH rotation versions your changing from/to and which of the 4 LH rotation versions your going from/to you may have to tear the engine down a pretty good ways. I say this because in some of the changes you have to change the position of the idler gear which means drilling out the plug in an oil passage and plugging the one in the oposite side, changing which end the thrust washers on the cam and balance shaft are on, getting the timing reset for the opposite rotation, changing the oil, fuel and water pump for the different rotation etc, etc etc. I just got done building a RH rotation 4-71 for a customer who had wanted me to take another engine he had that was a LH rotation and make it RH rotation to replace it. By the time I would have taken both engines apart, done all the necssary parts and plugging changes, and put that engine back together rotating the right way I would have had more labor in it than I was gonna have simply rebuilding the RH rotation engine from the ground up. In case you get that far a total rebuild, including machine shop charges, parts and labor, here in NC, is running anywhere from $1200-$1500 per cylinder as long as you aren't having to replace any major components like the block, head, or crank. You can check out E-bay, there are always Detroit service manuals for just ablout any model you may have listed at pretty good prices. I have built a good many of the two stroke Detroits over the years, so if you want to do a rotation swap and need any help, feel free to email me and I'll be glad to help out all I can. There is alot to the old two strokes but when you get right down to it they are one of the most simple engines I've ever worked on. Wayne

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Good answer here from Way

12-28-2003 08:53:21




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 Re: Re: Detroit Diesel Engine in reply to Wayne, 12-27-2003 23:22:23  
Get the official GM book there are things you very likely wouldn't see without it. Been there and done it.



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Bob

12-27-2003 10:32:15




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 Re: Detroit Diesel Engine in reply to E. Borchardt, 12-27-2003 10:23:13  
Change the camshafts and fuel lift pump, and, of course, the starter. For your application, could you take power from the opposite end of the crankshaft to avoid reversing the engine?



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EIL

12-27-2003 12:28:29




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 Re: Re: Detroit Diesel Engine in reply to Bob, 12-27-2003 10:32:15  
There are a total of 8 different ways to setup a detroit. When viewing the engine from the rear looking at the flywheel all left hand rotation engines (counter-clockwise) will have the idler gear on the right. One way to setup a left hand engine would be to have the camshaft on the left and the balancer shaft on the right and the blower on the left and the exhaust and water manifold on the right, or the balancer shaft on the left and the cam on the right and the blower and both manifolds on the left, or the balancer shaft on the left and the cam and the blower on the right and both manifolds on the left, or the cam could be on the left with the balancer shaft on the right with the blower and both manifolds both being on the right. To get a right hand rotation engine (clockwise) just put the idler gear on the left. Plus you could swap the crank around and setup all eight ways with the block backwards. Remember, you look at the flywheel side on the engine to see how it is setup, but you look at the front of the engine to decide engine rotation direction.

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Joe (Wa)

12-27-2003 13:57:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Detroit Diesel Engine in reply to EIL, 12-27-2003 12:28:29  
The manuals used to state that rotation is determined from the front on multi blocks and from the flywheel end on single blocks. Has that been changed? Joe



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EIL

12-27-2003 15:12:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Detroit Diesel Engine in reply to Joe (Wa), 12-27-2003 13:57:45  
You do have to look at the flywheel end in order to see how all the gears are setup, but the direction is looked at from the front, so looking at the front if the engine turns clock-wise then it would be a righthand rotation engine. If counter clock-wise, then it would be a lefthand rotation engine. Of course you could tell the direction or rotation just by looking at the idler gear placement and camshaft placement.

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E. Borchardt

12-27-2003 15:59:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Detroit Diesel Engine in reply to EIL, 12-27-2003 15:12:36  
Thanks for the come back. What about the oil pump and starter?



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Jon H

12-27-2003 20:05:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Detroit Diesel Engine in reply to E. Borchardt, 12-27-2003 15:59:04  
The Detroit service manual goes into detail about the rotation change. A reverse rotation starter or rebuild with different armature and drive fixes the starter. The oil pump has a different set of pipes that reverse the intake and output plumbing on the pump so it will work while turning the opposite direction.



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Alvin n Ms.

12-27-2003 21:07:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Detroit Diesel Engine in reply to Jon H, 12-27-2003 20:05:43  
C&R Garage installed a truck engine in a bus. It would then go backwards in a forward gear. I have seen those Detroits stalled, and they would start running backwards almost everytime. alvinnms



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