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Tieing a tractor to a trailer

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tlc

08-03-2000 17:56:40




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I have to trailer my 8n to a parade. I have a trailer that I borrowed. It certainly is rated to haul the tractor. What is the best way to tie down a tractor? I would hate to see it fall off or roll, slide, or whatever tractors do when they are not tied down right.

Do I cross over the ratchet compression straps from one side of the tractor to the trailer frame etc? Do I secure it from rolling forward and well, my questions are: how do you folks do it, and do it right? thanks. tlc

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You need to listen to DEAN on this.

08-05-2000 18:51:57




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 Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to tlc, 08-03-2000 17:56:40  
I realize you see them yuppies using straps for everything but they are'nt safe with equipment of any type.

Don't let these part time cowboy and full time yuppies get you or anyone else killed with them d***** Wally World super yuppie week end tractor hauler straps. They're telling you something here that is really really dangerous.

Them straps will not, will not, will not hold that tractor if you get into a bind in traffic or have to stop abruptly. If they don't tear in to pieces they will stretch and break.

Them rachet straps were designed for yuppies to haul antique potty chairs home from the rummage sale at the Methodist church on a Tojo-ota, they were not designed to use to safely secure a tractor.

You can make a set of clevices to use the chains like Dean suggested without scratching that dorf paint job. You will not ever be able to get a dead man to breathe again or crippled man to walk right.

I have great respect for our colleages here but they screwed up this time. Come on guys get real.

You can be safe as many times as need be, but you only get the one chance to get killed.

Burrhead

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Will

08-05-2000 21:24:13




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 Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to You need to listen to DEAN on this., 08-05-2000 18:51:57  
I don't recall anybody suggesting buying straps from Wally World. No matter what you use you need to use a product that is rated for the job at hand. In the last five years I have logged over 200,000 miles hauling equipment using substantial nylon straps. I don't recall ever having one break or fail.Use what you are comfortable with and have fun. Now I need to figure out if I am a cowboy( boots hurt my feet) or a yuppie ( too old for that).

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Burrhead

08-05-2000 21:45:58




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 Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to Will, 08-05-2000 21:24:13  
I've probly put more mile than that on my pickup carrying our drivers chains to put where they have broke a strap.

Some of these boys don't know that truck drivers lie alot so please either talk about something else besides safety or hush.



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tlc

08-05-2000 20:37:27




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 Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to You need to listen to DEAN on this., 08-05-2000 18:51:57  
Burrhead. I did this: I bought 4 - 4 foot 5/16 logging chains. I bought 4 - 1/4-5/16 load binders. I made an "X" with the tractor in middle. I also wrapped a chain around the 3 PTH ball on the drawbar, and straight lined it back to the trailer welded steel loop. Just to keep it from rolling off the trailer...just an added security. I didn't use nylon straps. I bought 1/2" (but wanted 5/8" hardened...but can't find) threaded eye bolts and installed them on the front axles. Also attached them to the drawbar...because i don't have brackets on my rear axles...not the best place to anchor a tractor but for a 30 mile ride one way through slow traffic it got me there. I could not afford to risk with nylon straps. Chains, bolts, and binders were expensive...but a lot less expensive than a totaled 9N restoration, a girked car behind, and perhaps someones life or others if the straps stretched, wound out from the ratchet, or broke. Still, a small tractor, but 2,300 pounds of rolling metal, traveling 50 MPH could do some damage to someone. The chains seemed a lot less cheaper in the big picture. thanks Burrhead and to all who posted. tlc

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Burrhead

08-05-2000 21:25:19




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 Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to tlc, 08-05-2000 20:37:27  
Ata boy. We'll get to hear from you again.

I tickled to death you did that chain deal. It's like BFO said the chain is for equipment and the straps for lumber.

I've seen steel bars and rods and even steel coils fall off of semi trucks around here thanks to lumber straps. These guys forget the real name of a full sized strap is still just a lumber strap.

Here at the farm we have a 60 series Chevy 8yd dump to pull around a backhoe on a lowboy. One morning a little old lady just had to pull out in front of the truck. When the boy swerved to miss her the trailer turned over and broke loose from the truck. We had tied the backhoe on with 5/8" chain and the trailer turned over 2 complete turns and landed on it's wheels.

When it came to rest the backhoe was still tied down and the trailer brakes had kept them from running on across the hiway.

My wife and I were right behind the truck so we saw it all. It totaled the tractor and the lowboy but all the people walked around stinking pretty bad but without a scratch.

Even when you use a lumber strap on lumber it will let lumber slip forwards under it on an abrupt stop so I have these guys to put one chain in the middle of the very front bundles

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Steve Hansen

08-06-2000 08:41:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to Burrhead, 08-05-2000 21:25:19  
Welding buddy and I built a trailer to haul my IH 254 a few years ago. At a couple of points on the sides we put brackets made out of 1/2" rod and angle so I could secure lumber with straps. At the corners we welded on some 1/2" u-bolts from the farmer's coop. Dead center in the back of the trailer I have a 5/8" u-bolt that bolts to the frame. This is so I can remove it to slide flat loads in from the rear. To load the tractor, I drive it on to the trailer and secure the front with 5/8" chains and clevisis. The chains are cut to length and run from the frame of the tractor to the corners of the trailer. I back up until both chains are under tension. In the back, I run a chain and turnbuckle from the top 3 point pin to the u-bolt in the center of the rear. When the turnbuckle is tight the tractor is secure. For safety sake, I run a chain from the rear corners to a clevis on the drawbar. With this rig, I can load and tie down in about five minutes and I don't have to worry about binder poping open or chains shifting and going slack.

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Burrhead

08-06-2000 09:45:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to Steve Hansen, 08-06-2000 08:41:50  
Yessir that binder popping is about the only trouble you can have and you mastered that.

I got some rachet binders. You back up and take that tension out of the front chain then I rachet the chain down like you said from the top across the backend.

I might try some of the rods on the next trailer. On my personal trailer here I went to Fruehauf Trailer and got some of the D rings like the semi flatbed trailers use, and welded them to the frame.

They fold down flat when not in use, but they were pretty expensive. What good is it to save money on something if you might not be here to spend it anyways tho.

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Steve Hansen

08-06-2000 17:56:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to Burrhead, 08-06-2000 09:45:44  
Farm coop has u-bolts in a variety of sizes and diamiters. $2-$4 each. We welded them to the outside of the rails with about 1/2" clearance between the top of the rail and the bottom of the "U". Just enough to clear the clevice. I considered using the rings in the bed but they were expensive and I could not figure out an easy way to securely mount them to a wooden deck.



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Burrhead

08-07-2000 05:56:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to Steve Hansen, 08-06-2000 17:56:35  
I looked at the co-op here and we have the u-bolts but these folks have started stocking Chinese bolts so I was worried about the stress factor.

I cut holes in the floor out next to the frame rails and welded a piece of 3"X 3" under neath the floor paralell to the frame.

That made my D rings flush with the floor and the trailer frame or my dirt dabber welding would have to break out for the ring to come loose.

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BFO

08-05-2000 20:29:39




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 Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to You need to listen to DEAN on this., 08-05-2000 18:51:57  
Well put Burr, save the straps for hauling lumber, but definitely chain the tractor.



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Burrhead

08-05-2000 22:08:54




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 Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to BFO, 08-05-2000 20:29:39  
Hello BFO.

Yessir it scares me to death when a weekend cowboy tractor hauling yuppie tries to get up to my winder with straps on his dorf.



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David Hexom

03-16-2001 16:32:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to Burrhead, 08-05-2000 22:08:54  
Have a tractor in state of Oregon and need it hauled to southern Wisc. Anyone know of a trucker coming back without a full load, let me know.Thanks Dave



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Tyler(WA)

08-04-2000 11:15:15




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 Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to tlc, 08-03-2000 17:56:40  
If you want to try out for the "Redneck Olympics", load the trailer on a slope and be sure there is no support for the back of the trailer as you drive on. Remove any blocks from the trailer & truck wheels and keep the truck in neutral with the parking brake on.

When you pull the tractor onto the trailer, the leveraging weight stands a great chance of lifting the rear of the truck off the ground. This will free the truck's front wheels and the trailer wheels to roll.

Extra points are made if you do this all at night and a special bonus if you shout, "Hey y'all, WATCH THIS!" as you start the loading process.

I managed about 6 to 10 feet when I loaded my first tractor but I believe the all time high score goes to a certain Canadian, I know, who went over 50' and at a rather high rate.

Be careful and use straps to save your paint.

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big fred

08-04-2000 13:24:38




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 Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to Tyler(WA), 08-04-2000 11:15:15  
Tyler, better put a disclaimer on that. Do NOT try that unless you are a certified redneck. Damage to yer friend's pickup which is parked just down the hill could result unless he can sneak a rock under the trailer wheels in time.



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kimk

08-03-2000 19:36:22




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 Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to tlc, 08-03-2000 17:56:40  
Tie each corner diagonally to the trailer.Like a big X. Use 4 straps. Don't make the mistake of making one strap do the work of two, it'll work up slack in transport. If you can its always best to move the tractor forward untill it comes up against part of the trailer or blocks or something solid to stop any forward motion. Leave the tractor in low gear.If the ramps are a bit steep back it on and drive it off, and it'll be less likely to flip on ya, and keep on truckin'.

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Harvey

08-05-2000 04:20:28




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 Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to kimk, 08-03-2000 19:36:22  
If you are only going a few miles to a local tractor show or parade leaving a vehicle in gear is ok, but for long hauls that practice is hard on the gears & bearings. As a vehicle chucks back & forth the gear teeth are being banged together & after a while the gear lube is removed from the teeth & bearings. The gears aren't allowed to turn so they can't pick new gear lube & after a while you will get wear on only one place of the gear teeth. The same goes for bearings, if they don't turn they don't lube & ball bearings aren't made to carry a continuos load at "0" rpm like a bushing, so they pit & gall.

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Harvey

08-05-2000 06:51:36




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 Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to Harvey, 08-05-2000 04:20:28  
Harvey: I would guess that slight rocking pressure and less lube would still need many 10's of thousands of miles befor any possible damage could be even measured. Much less horse power envolved in the rocking motion means less problems? Harvey..(H MN)



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Harvey

08-05-2000 08:23:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to Harvey, 08-05-2000 06:51:36  
Actually it doesn't take long at all to damage gears & bearings this way. It isn't a gentel rocking motion we are talking about but a constant pounding. Also horse power isn't the issue but the lack of pull in a constant direction. Get into your truck & rock it from D to R a 1000+ times without moving it then pull the diff. cover you will be suprised by the marks it leaves on the ring gear. Probably a lot depends on how smooth your trailer rides. I am only familier with construction trailers. Since we have quit leaving our tractors & equiptment in gear on the trailers we haven't had any more trans or bearing problems.

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DEAN SLAVICK

08-05-2000 04:05:55




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 Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to kimk, 08-03-2000 19:36:22  
DONT USE STRAPS. THEY CAN TEAR. USE CHAIN. 5\16 CHAIN AVAILBLE AT LOCAL FARM STORE. ALSO USE LOAD BINDERS.



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sammy the RED

08-05-2000 10:58:54




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 Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to DEAN SLAVICK, 08-05-2000 04:05:55  
Make sure they are graded chain for what you are locking down.



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Will

08-05-2000 15:02:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tieing a tractor to a trailer in reply to sammy the RED, 08-05-2000 10:58:54  
I haul an 8000# loader through metro traffic everyday. I have always used nylon straps. I hauled my 9N last weekend using the same straps. You are not hauling a bulldozer here. Nylon is alot easier on a nice restoration paint job and certainly strong enough to hold an N.



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