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OT - Seeking stone masons etc.

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ShepFL

12-19-2003 13:47:47




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Got me a smooth stone fireplace I would like to put some type of finish on so it looks wet. Been trying to clean lime and mortor and such off vinegar and H2O taking all day plus looks like the coming weekend. Bought some CLR and it says NO-NO on natural stone. What is best way to clean stone? What would be a good wet look finish/sealer to use on it once I have it clean?

PS - How about sealer for stone countertop on island?

Thanks

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ShepFL

12-21-2003 18:35:19




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 Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to ShepFL, 12-19-2003 13:47:47  
Muratic acid it will be. I do have some experience with it having had a pool (money pit) in the past. I have also used it to clean my drive and shop floor. The fireplace is stone and not Cultured stone - good point though.

Thanks, ya'll confirmed what I was thinking!

Any ideas on the wet look sealer?



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Billy NY

12-20-2003 09:55:03




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 Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to ShepFL, 12-19-2003 13:47:47  
Muriatic acid - get a material data safety sheet on it BEFORE you use it and or anything like it.

A lot of masons use a product that I believe is less caustic, called "Surekleen" when doing the washdown on new masonry.

Muriatic will eat a hole in your clothing, that I can tell you.



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gregg

12-20-2003 04:53:03




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 Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to ShepFL, 12-19-2003 13:47:47  
Are you sure that isn't a lightweight concrete stone such as Cultured Stone. If it is don't even think of CLR, Muriatic acid. Water ,clean sand and a still NYLON bristle brush. The sand with the brush will act like a mild abrasive. But remember the coloring agent is put in the mold before the concrete is poured. Rinse well.Go to a building stone dealer for your sealer.



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Pablo

12-20-2003 02:39:21




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 Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to ShepFL, 12-19-2003 13:47:47  
I use muriatic acid frequently. I have alot of masonery work around the ranch here in the desert, where wood doesn't hold up to the sun. It is extremely important to read and follow the instructions on the product very carefully. Good ventilation is absolutly necessary, use a resperator, this acid is nasty, and will literally knock you over, I found the fumes to be more toxic in the rinsing or flushing process. Mix the acid 20 part water to one part acid to begin, add acid slowly to water, if the solution begins to bubble upon contact to the morter it is strong enough. Leave on 2 to 3 min. repeat if necessary. Flush thoroughly, I mix baking soda with water for the flushing solution. Muriatic acid will damage wood, fabric, pit metal and damage other materal as well, use carefully. My business partner used a product called "poultice powder" and he said it worked great. However it sells for around $18 a pint, which only cleans 2 sq. ft., I get a gallon of M. Acid for $3.50 (approx.) and it goes a long way.
Rubber gloves, safety glasses, and long sleeve shirt are necessary, this will burn your skin in a NY minute, and believe me, after 50 yrs. living in the desert, and working outside, my hide is pretty tough. If you are not knowledgeable working with corrosives, or feel somewhat uneasy, I defenitly agree with "Ray, IN" and make that trip to the union hall. This is a small job, and should be relatively inexpensive...do what I always try first, trade out tractor work, thats how I got this computer. good luck and be careful..... ..p.s. need decals for "57 Ferguson F40" seems to be difficult to find.....

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Rauville

12-20-2003 07:39:49




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 Re: Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to Pablo , 12-20-2003 02:39:21  
We just had a ceramic tile (12"x12") floor put down this week, and the installer told us to "wash it down with Muriatic acid." He didn't want to because he had "burnt his lungs" with acid, and doesn't use it any longer. Makes you wonder how safe this stuff is, when even the professionals pass the use of it off to someone else.



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James Ayars

12-20-2003 19:34:18




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 Re: Re: Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to Rauville, 12-20-2003 07:39:49  
Muriatic acid is actually dilute hydrochloric acid. One of the products of the reaction of HCl with metals or some other compounds is chlorine gas. Chlorine gas will constrict your air passages and make it quite hard to breath. I found that our first hand in college. James



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old

12-19-2003 15:51:35




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 Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to ShepFL, 12-19-2003 13:47:47  
I can't spell it right and you need to be very careful with it but I know guys that use maratic acid to clean rock work/ make it look old etc



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bob

12-19-2003 19:19:58




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 Re: Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to old, 12-19-2003 15:51:35  
I think its muric acid. Believe its another name foe hydrochloric acid, a strong & dangerous acid if mishandled.



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Ray,IN

12-19-2003 19:51:46




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 Re: Re: Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to bob, 12-19-2003 19:19:58  
Bob is right, muratic acid is the old term for hydrochloric acid. This acid is used to clean mortar from brick and stone and if performed correctly gives excellent results. The acid will continue to eat away the mortar if not washed off throughly and neutralized. It will blind you if introduced into your eyes, fumes will burn lungs, liquid destroys skin and flesh. This is a job for professionals only! I would phone the union hall and request a mason for the job.

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old

12-19-2003 19:30:13




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 Re: Re: Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to bob, 12-19-2003 19:19:58  
Well you are sort of right and wrong but yes you need to be very, very careful when you use it



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big fred

12-19-2003 15:06:33




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 Re: OT - Seeking stone masons etc. in reply to ShepFL, 12-19-2003 13:47:47  
A restaurant in my hometown used high-gloss varnish on their rough stone wall for a wet look. I would think that would work for you as well. Can't offer any ideas on the cleaning.



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