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J Stevens

08-01-2000 21:31:03




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I am in the market for a chainsaw to clear 5 acres of land for my new home in the country. Initially, I will be using the living crap out of it, eventually I will use it occasionally as the need arises. I have to remove brush, small trees, and huge old oaks that have fallen down. In addition, The site has had some harvesting done, and I have huge tree tops bulldozed into a couple tidy piles that will need to be cut up.

So, I have done my homework and have narrowed my choices down to Stihl or Husqvarna. I have choosen the 036 pro Stihl with 18-20" bar, or the Husky 362xp same bar size. Price, features, power, weight and balance are all very close. husky wins the warranty side, but Stihl has a lot more selection of parts (chains-bars etc..) locally. Both stores are open weekends, so parts replacement isnt a prob. Stihl has a servicing dealer, Husky sells thru a farm store with a fairly good service dept I trust. The servicing dealer is pushing my thoughts toward the Stihl.

so which saw is most likely going to be around 10 years from now? which saw is going to cut for me 5 hours a day for weeks on end? Which saw is going to be easier to maintain, and after that shiny new bar has worn off its paint, and the powerhead is half covered in sawdust, which saw is gonna cause me problems?

any answers would be a big help, a lot of hard earned dead presidents gotta change hands for one of these saws, I want it to be worth the money.

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J Stephens

08-22-2000 17:46:43




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 Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to J Stevens, 08-01-2000 21:31:03  
want to thank everyone for all of their comments/suggestions. very helpful, and a fairly good response in a short time. Went with a Husky, The 362 was $75 more than the Stihl so the dealer offered me the 372 xp for the same money couldn't pass it up!! same weight, less vibration, all the goodies, and more power heck of a deal. got it with a 24" bar and extra chain, also bought a 20" bar and two chains when I'm not going to be bending over all day long.

Thanks again for the input, made the whole experience better knowing I was buying a quality product that was trusted by people who used them.

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Steve Hansen

08-02-2000 21:59:48




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 Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to J Stevens, 08-01-2000 21:31:03  
I have a Husky 55. Really great saw. One of my friends in the tree trimming business uses the smaller Stihl's when he is up top and larger Husky's on the ground.

I agree with the comment about Oregon chain. The saw shop I deal with has stopped selling it. I get Woodsman Pro chains from Bailey's [http://www.baileys-online.com]. They sell to the trade and could not survive if they did not have good products priced right. Send them an e-mail [[email protected]] and request a catalog.

I also agree with the 20" bar. For the kind of work you will be doing you need at least two chains and two bars (or two saws) on site at all times. Why? Because even the best of us will bind the bar at times when we cut up trees (and particularly tops) on the ground. Sometimes, the only way to get free is to cut the bar out. What ever you do, don't try to pull a bound up bar out of a cut. You can break the bar adjustment screw and find yourself shut down for the day. Helps to have a couple of wedges and a sledge hammer handy too.

I have been where you are going. E-mail me if you want the war story!

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Doug

08-02-2000 08:48:37




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 Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to J Stevens, 08-01-2000 21:31:03  
Based on previous responses, I would suggest that available service be your determining factor. I was in a similar situation a couple of years ago and bought a Stihl 29 from a Stihl dealer that did all the work right there when I showed up (which was only once). Go ahead and buy 6 or seven extra chains as they can get dull in a hurry, especially if you go through a nail or something. Have the used ones sharpened each time you go to town. Good luck.

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Hartshorn

08-03-2000 03:54:23




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 Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to Doug, 08-02-2000 08:48:37  
While at Bailey's check out a book available from them called "Professional Timber Falling"

Lots of good advice and techniques to fall trees safely. A very good description of the strategy of using your notches and release cuts, where and how.

Good Luck

Kim Hartshorn



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Hartshorn

08-02-2000 09:19:35




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 Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to Doug, 08-02-2000 08:48:37  
Well two chains anyway :-) get a $1 file and use it with every gas tank. It is actually quite pleasant to take a short break and file the chain in the woods. If you sharpen often you do not need to do more than a swipe or two on each tooth and you will be amazed at the increase in performance. You can get one of the file holders and guides if you want to...but even just hand-filing makes ahuge difference. Once in awhile you can have the chain tuned up at the shop on the grinder...but keep that file on your belt and you will stay quite happy and content. The worst thing you can do with a chainsaw is be in a hurry....and handfiling regularly keeps you in the right perspective.

good luck

Kim Hartshorn

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Tyler(WA)

08-02-2000 07:33:05




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 Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to J Stevens, 08-01-2000 21:31:03  
Either saw is a good choice. I've owned both. I went to Stihl when my Husky burned a cylinder and the dealer told me that the cylinder and block were an integral unit that had to be replaced together. May not be a problem with a larger model but it burned my biscuts. Stihl doesn't do that and parts are everywhere.

I would recomend you get the LONGEST bar you can handle. It doesn't even matter that the saw isn't rated for a 30" or even a 36" bar if you're only going to cut with 18" of it. The difference will be that your back won't be doing the reaching. This is a real important item for two reasons.

ONE - You will get more work done because you can do your work standing up. Bending over to cut limbs will cut your effective work day in half and move the stock price of Ben Gay a point or two.

TWO - Your chain will last much longer between sharpening. Longer chain means less cutting per tooth and you'll be cutting more and sharpening less.

Another tip is to order "skip tooth" chain and don't buy Oregon brand chain. Oregon chain stretches terribly and you'll be adjusting your bar several times an hour. Skip tooth chain has an extra spacer link between cutters. The result is that the teeth get a deeper cut and the chain cuts much faster. It's also faster to sharpen. I tried my first skip tooth chain with my new Stihl 029 and will never buy anything else.

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Fish

08-05-2000 15:19:22




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 Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to Tyler(WA), 08-02-2000 07:33:05  
Skip chain gets a deeper cut?!! Give me a break!
You must have read the crap on the label and believed it. Also keep away from the 029, it is junk. Fish



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JEBfromPA

08-03-2000 06:53:37




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 Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to Tyler(WA), 08-02-2000 07:33:05  
If not Oregon chain, what brands do you buy?



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Fish

08-05-2000 15:21:51




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 Re: Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to JEBfromPA, 08-03-2000 06:53:37  
Try Carlton full chisel, you will like it. Windsor good too. Fish



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Tyler(WA)

08-03-2000 08:14:24




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 Re: Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to JEBfromPA, 08-03-2000 06:53:37  
Most saw shops that carry Oregon chain, do so for the customers who are looking for the cheap chain. They usually carry a slightly more expensive chain for their serious cutters. There are several different brands that are good. Ask your saw shop. It they don't know, go to a different saw shop.



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Scott Green

08-02-2000 19:11:10




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 Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to Tyler(WA), 08-02-2000 07:33:05  
I agree with the long bar lecture that Tyler just gave you. I found that the 20" bar was just right for me. I used a 20" bar for years on many brand saws. At some time afterwards I happen to be running a saw with a shorter bar. I seamed like I was always reaching and bending to make a cut. Be comfortable. Use a longer bar.



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Safety and skiptooth chain etc...

08-02-2000 18:32:55




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 Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to Tyler(WA), 08-02-2000 07:33:05  
The reason the manufacturers went to skip tooth is for safety... there's much less tendency to kick back if you get the tip into something...

But you're right. Skip tooth does cut LOTS faster...and all the loggers use nothing but skip-tooth chain.

But make sure you're careful about you're doing with it.

By the way, a set of those chainsaw safety chaps is a good investment if you're doing a lot of work in the woods.. Steel toe boots are a good thing too.

I was tired, cutting in a brushpile, got off balance and cut through the toe off my boot once (yes, I missed my foot somehow)..

It happened so quick it was over before it began... that incident got my attention right away. The saw cuts leather or flesh like it isn't even there so take care.

bbott

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Fish

08-05-2000 15:25:57




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 Re: Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to Safety and skiptooth chain etc..., 08-02-2000 18:32:55  
How does it cut faster? Is there something different with the chisel. With the two "safety"
bumper drag links in front of every cutter, how
can it bite deeper that a full chisel chain with
no safety drag links? Fish



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BTW

08-03-2000 05:16:06




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 Re: Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to Safety and skiptooth chain etc..., 08-02-2000 18:32:55  
Not trying to flame you or anything Tyler, you have many good posts here. I do take issue with your contention that a skip tooth chain is safer. When you start a cut the saw should be wide open right? Know why? To get the max number of teeth in the cut for a smoother start, less chance of hooking a tooth, especialy on a limb or branch. I think the same principle applies to the tooth configuration of a chain. If skip tooths were safer, all the Poulans at wallyword would have them wouldn`t they?

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OOPS, SORRY TYLER

08-03-2000 07:26:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to BTW, 08-03-2000 05:16:06  
Replied to the wrong person, should have been bbot. Same applies about the many excellent posts to both of you.



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HUH?

08-03-2000 05:05:54




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 Re: Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to Safety and skiptooth chain etc..., 08-02-2000 18:32:55  
Skip tooth for safety? Skip tooth chains are used on looong bars in deeep cuts to clear the chips. the tooth doesn`t get any more bite than a full comp chain because of the depth gauges. check it out, the gauge is in the same relative position on each tooth. What manufacturers did do for safety is decrease the amount you lower the gauges(.025 seems to be standard). A skip tooth chain might be quicker to sharpen, but it also dulls faster. As far as whether or not skip tooth cuts faster, it`s very debatable, more teeth on a given size chain, taking the same size bite is often faster, as long as your saw has enough power and the chips are clearing. The logic displayed here regarding a bigger bite applies to circular saws which generally have a much larger gullet, tooth, and hook angle on a blade with fewer teeth. Later

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Tyler(WA)

08-03-2000 08:07:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to HUH?, 08-03-2000 05:05:54  
You're right about clearing faster. I forgot to mention that with a skip tooth chain, you can allow a bigger bite by filing down the guard teeth a bit more and the extra room between teeth will allow the larger chips to clear without the cut getting bogged down. I think the clear cut chanel is why a skip tooth chain stays sharper longer (they really do stay sharp longer, based on lots of experience.)

I was put on to the skip tooth by professional loggers in the family. In the Northwest, we have some really deadly trees that like to make widows out of logger's wives. Making a fast back-cut is vital and that's where the skip tooth helps. They do require a bit more care at the tip and they probably aren't a smart choice for a short bar. A long bar is inherently safer from kickback with more mass and redius so they can handle the problem.

Other than OREGON - I buy the Stihl brand because that's the "other brand" at my saw shop, but almost any shop offers a slightly more expensive brand of roll chain. Oregon is the "sale" chain that feeds the "price is everything" customer.

Lots of great comments on this forum. Thanks for keeping me honest on the details.

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OOOPS.... I LEFT A WORD OUT !

08-03-2000 07:13:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to HUH?, 08-03-2000 05:05:54  
Yes...

They went AWAY from skiptooth for safety!

One word makes a big difference sometimes.
My apologies for causing all the excitement !
Shows people are reading anyway....

bbott



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bbott

08-02-2000 07:30:24




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 Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to J Stevens, 08-01-2000 21:31:03  
At my 'day job' I work for a major timber company. Based on my 'walkarounds' I'd guesstimate that the current mix of chainsaw brands that our loggers are using is about 75% Husky 25% Stihl with the rest being a mix of other less popular brands thrown in here and there.

They are both good saws... and I don't think you'd really go wrong with either brand.

I own both brands, my Stihl is now 15 years old and has NEVER failed me... but then again, the newer Husky (3 years) never has either !

The fit and finish on the Stihl is better, the Husky is lighter.

The Husky is generally regarded as producing better torque at low RPM but I think the Stihl pulls stronger on the top end and has a 'more pleasant' exaust note.

So. This isn't much help deciding is it ?

I'd get the one that feels better to you.

bbott

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Hartshorn

08-02-2000 07:24:42




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 Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to J Stevens, 08-01-2000 21:31:03  
I would choose the Husky also although the difference is not going to be great.

Though if you havent seen them...ask the Husky dealer if he can service Jonsereds. I have a Husky 268 and a Jonsered 2083. The Jon model is bigger anyway but every Jonny I've picked up just seems solid and tight and nicely balanced. Also I would seriously consider buying a used bigger saw than a brand new smaller one. I quickly found that when doing lots of cutting it is nice to have a saw that is not going to bog down just before you have released your log.

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Scott Green

08-02-2000 04:31:41




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 Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to J Stevens, 08-01-2000 21:31:03  
J Stevens , You want the husky! Both are good saws. The Husky is better. Cuts faster , air injection , better feel to it , etc.. You can ajust the carb on a husky. The new sthils are non ajustable. Sthils were iceing up the carb in the winter. Husky carbs don't ice up. We have both brands of saw in our area of Dansville , New York.My brother has worked for a commercial tree service company , trimming trees from the right of ways for the power company. They use Husky. Now he works for New York State doing the same job. They also use Husky. A different brother has both Husky and sthil. His saws are all up to date saws. He favors the Husky him self. After showing me the new features of both saws , I would also choose the Husky over any other saw. I've had many saws myself. But I'm going back 15--20 years.At that time , I found echo to be my favorite. Like I said , If I were to buy a saw today , it would be a Husky. The 362 is a good saw. But the 350 is what I would buy. It's a little smaller and lighter , but don't under estimate it. That saw will out cut most. My brother Tom has both. Give him a call(716)346-0717. He likes to talk. He will give you all the inn's and outs.

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F14

08-02-2000 03:57:05




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 Re: New Chainsaw purchase in reply to J Stevens, 08-01-2000 21:31:03  
I went through the same process on a smaller saw a couple of years back. Local dealer carries both Stihl and Husky. He showed me comparable models in both brands. I went with the Stihl because the dealer/mechanic said they have slightly better bearings and the cylinder bore is coated (I don't remember the details on that) and tends to wear better.

Bottom line is, six of one and half a dozen of the other on these two brands. I don't think you'll be disappointed either way.

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