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High performance chips for diesel trucks

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TPat

12-10-2003 17:52:10




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I am interested in purchasing a performance chip for my 2001 Ford F-350 Truck. I am running 3.73 gears with an automatic. I would appreciate an experienced opinion on what is the best name brand chip/specifications for this truck. I pull a 25' gooseneck with load weighing up to approximately 18.5k. There are several chips available, I just have no experience in this area.
Thank you!




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Dale

12-25-2003 14:36:00




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
I happened onto this board while looking for information on alumaloy (one of those infomercials, I was too late going to bed). Anyway, I own a diesel shop and carry 7 different brands of chips, and several different styles. There are programmers, multiple position chips, and single position chips. It is rather confusing.

Basically, a well written chip will change computer responses creating more hp or tq over certain rpm ranges. You can get tow chips (more tq in the low rpms), general purpose chips (moderate increases across a wide band), race chips (high end hp increases), or extreme settings (extended rpm ranges not usually available through stock programming). As the programming will extend the fueling rates your engine will create more heat. You can add fuel (therefore increasing the exhaust temps) to a point where the increased temps will harm you valve seats. In the Power Stroke engine this will happen at about 1850 degrees, which is when your exhaust manifold is at 1300 degrees. So, it is recommended to install a pyrometer (measures exhaust temperature) if you are going to increase you power beyond a mild level.

This is alos why you see a lot of trucks getting exhaust systems and intakes. By increasing the air flow across the engine you will lower your exhaust temps, which will allow you to increase your fuel rates without damage. However, as long as you don't get what I call horsepower-itus, you should be fine with a mild tow chip.

Because of the way programs are written, come chips are lower in egt (exhaust gas temperature) than others. Having had the opportunity to try many brands, I usually recommend Diesel Power Chips to most Power Stroke owners. They come in single to four positions, so you can have a stock, tow, race, and extreme setting on the same chip and using a rotary switch you mount you can select how much horsepower increase you want or need. Obviously, if you are towing you will use a lower setting because you are creating more heat by working your engine. If you are unloaded, you can use a higher setting because the heat generated by the additional fueling will be less since you are not putting it under a heavy work load.

If all you are looking for is a general performance increase, I am sure a single burn chip would suffice. However, if you tow heavy loads and need to beat the Dodge next door, you can get 2 positions (up to four available) depending on how much money you want to spend.

There are tons of companies making these chips these days and you should research carefully. For instance, a Superchip or DiabloSport program will create the same hp and tq as the Diesel Power chip, but making almost 200 to 300 degrees more in exhaust temperature. If I can be of any more help, you may want to call and I can answer your specific questions. 509-922-TRUK (8785) Dale

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T_Bone

12-12-2003 15:36:40




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
Hi Tpat,

I personally would not chip my 2002 F350 dually as I get 14.1mpg while pulling 16k GCW from Colo to AZ, recent 1900mile RT. Empty I get 19.2mpg consistantly.

Most of a chip power increase comes at the top RPM range, 2800rpm plus, and they don't offer hp/torque graphs to compare with the Fords stock graph.

I don't use that RPM range as I pull by maximum torque RPM of 1600rpm. It costs 40% more in fuel to use maximum HP than it does to use maximum torque.

T_Bone

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Kent

12-11-2003 20:16:39




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
TPat, I agree with a previous post to go to www.thedieselstop.com and read alot and you will find it is hard to beat Bill at
www.dieselpowerchips.com everyone seems to swear by them and he will custom build a chip to fit your needs and it can be reprogrammed if you change the modifications to your truck. Kent



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Red Raider

12-11-2003 10:53:24




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
The performance provided by chips have long term consequences of reduced engine, turbo, and drive train life. International has rated and Ford tuned these engines for maximum life from the factory. I sure would go for the chip for my 2000 Powerstroke if I didn't plan on keeping it for as long as I could.



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ScottT

12-12-2003 09:45:46




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 Re: Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to Red Raider, 12-11-2003 10:53:24  
International did increase the horsepower of the 7.3 from early 2000 to later versions. My engine was rated at 235hp, later in 2000 it was available with 250hp in an auto or 275hp in the manual trans. All of this increase was done with the programming. With the addition of the mild chip, I increased my hp to the equivalent of the newer stock motor. I have a feeling I will have no problem going well over 200K miles, the truck will be worn out before this engine is.

Scott

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Greywolf

12-12-2003 04:15:41




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 Re: Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to Red Raider, 12-11-2003 10:53:24  
I don't know how accurate the information is or was. I was talking with a Ford salesman this past summer, got the pitch for the new 6.0 etc etc etc.

What he told me was on the 7.3 and PS, whenever ford had to "keep up" in a new year, all they basically did was chip the engine.



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ScottT

12-11-2003 10:10:08




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
I have had a Hypertech Power Programmer III installed in my 2000 F250 for the last 80,000 miles. It has worked quite well for me (slightly increased mpg and a nice power gain). I also eliminated the muffler for a little better exhaust flow, some people don't like the sound, I think it's fine, and is hardly noticable with the windows up. There are plenty of higher horsepower chips out there, I suspect you will have a problem using them to their full potential with a heavy load. The higher the hp the higher potential exhaust temp. Install a pyrometer and keep an eye on it.

Scott

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richard

12-11-2003 09:33:00




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
You may want to go on www.thedieselstop.com and do a search on chips for your vehicle.

I use a Superchip in my 97 PS and my friend uses one in his 2000 PSD. A chip will improve your performance while towing as well as improving your MPG. Most people pull their chip out when bringing it to the dealer when service time comes.



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Gary

12-11-2003 08:03:56




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
chips for trucks. Trucks and cars would be a heck of a lot better off if computors and chips had never been put in them and probably a heck of a lot cheaper to buy and to fix. I know that they have them now and there is probably not much that can be done about it but we got along for how many years without them???? Hey, and mechanics knew how to troubleshoot and fix them with having them hooked up to a machine to tell them what was wrong with it. Progress, is that what you call it. I'll tell ya the only progress I'm seeing is kids that don't have a dang clue how to get out and actually work for dollar, tractor drivers that have to have a gps system to drive their tractors for them, onstar on their cars(this is probably one of the positive good ones), and kids working in stores that most couldn't count back change too you if the register didn't tell them how much to give ya, and then they stand a good chance of screwing it up then. I suppose I'm in the minority probably of not likeing the so called high tech world we are in, I do like part of it and I suppose if you like part of it you have to accept all of it but that don't mean ya gotta like it. People are living so fast and depending on all this stuff that they are loosing touch with the simple more joyfull things of life. Sorry for rambling on but this is a subject that really lights my fire, especially how kids are being raised to not know how to do anything but play playstation and punch buttons. Give them and axe and let them clear a fence row and learn what real work is about.

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T-Man

07-24-2004 11:23:21




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 Re: Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to Gary , 12-11-2003 08:03:56  
Gary, We farm 3,000 acres of ground in Iowa. I've cleaned numerous fence rows, and my father worked his butt of to get what he and hasn't inherited a dime. We use GPS yield mapping, and the information we get to improve our bushels per acre is of substantial value. Computers and technology have improved our world overall, and we will need it in the future in order to survive. As the population grows, we will need to increase our total bushels per acre to feed the world. People who complain about it, usually do not understand it. This topic 'lights my fire' as well. If you take an old car with a carb, and put up against a computer enhanced car, it would get blown away. How do you think we can accomplish a total output of over 500 hp on a tractor that can pull a 60 foot field cultivator. Did you know that all the semis' today use computers, like the 550 detroit engine? Study the field in far depth, an THINK. The days of sniffin' the dirt are over.

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michael

12-14-2003 20:07:30




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 Re: Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to Gary , 12-11-2003 08:03:56  
Gary, i was just wondering how you posted your long reply to the question about power chips? Did you use a computer? I was just curious. I too may be in the minority but would have to say that while technology does have some downsides, overall it has made the world more efficient. Computerized vehicles are more powerful and efficient than previous ones. Also mechanics have to be more knowledgable now than ever. Most of the time you cannot diagnose a problem by simply hooking a car up to a machine. Sorry for my rambling but I guess this is a subject that lights my fire too, especially when trained mechanics don't get the respect they deserve because people think that machines can do a mechanics job.

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michael

12-11-2003 06:55:30




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
I have a superchips 2-stage programmer on my 96 F-350. This is just the older version of the 3-stage programmer currently available. I have been very satisfied with the results provided by my programmer. It offers two settings above stock and I have used only the lower of the two. The only downside is the decreased fuel mileage. The companies advertise better fuel mileage but this has certainly not been the case with my truck. I'm sure it is possible to see an improvement if you keep your foot out of it or don't tow a trailer, but i have never ran a full tank through mine without pulling a load. Also, I don't think a programmer will void your warranty but it will need to be set back to stock if you take it to the dealer for service.

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Jim

12-11-2003 06:41:00




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
if you really want to do it right and I do not know about the warranty is to check with Banks power system. The are not cheap, but with a bigger exhaust, and a power chip, the gauge pod that keeps track of intercooler, tranny, and exhaust temperature, it gives you a more complete system. Superchips are nice, and cheaper priced, but I have a $30,000.00 truck and if I wanted to more, I would probably chenge rear end gearing first, it would give you more engine longevity, my F250 pulls a 10,000 trailer with no trouble at all.

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D.L.

12-14-2003 20:27:45




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 Re: Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to Jim, 12-11-2003 06:41:00  
Last I knew, Gale Banks was the ONLY system that would NOT void your warranty... they sell an entire system (intercooler, turbo, and exhaust) which prevents the higher operating temperatures. They definitely do it right!



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will

12-10-2003 20:54:26




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
I second the superchips 3 stage programmer. It is simple to change the settings from 50-120 hp above stock. Folks have been using these programmers for sevral years with little or no harrmful effects if used with common scense. I do suggest using a pyrometer, and keep those exhaust temps below a thousand degreees F. Temps higher than that will eventually result in a ruined turbo charger.



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Nicklan

12-10-2003 19:20:03




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
Get a Superchips programmer. 3 programs for either pulling heavy, pulling light, or making other people wonder what in the h#ll is wrong with their vehicle.

Nick
PS at a minimum, you need a pryometer so you know you exhaust gas temps.



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Kennyp

12-10-2003 19:11:07




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
While I do not have one, two of my best friends do have diesel 350's. We tow all the time. I would think you would be better of changing the rear end since you are towing. Power chips scare me.



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Allan

12-10-2003 17:56:07




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 Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to TPat, 12-10-2003 17:52:10  
TPat,

Why void the warranty on that diesel? I wouldn't change chips until I was out the @ 100K mark.

Allan



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TPat

12-11-2003 04:49:54




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 Re: Re: High performance chips for diesel trucks in reply to Allan, 12-10-2003 17:56:07  
Thank you for all of the above noted comments/suggestions.



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