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Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses

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Richard Fazio

12-04-2003 12:00:00




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I would like to be able to make up my own hydaulic hoses. I need 1/2" and 3/4" lines to pipe my tractors hydraulics. I want to do some in steel and some in rubber. I see you can buy the rubber hose easy enough. The fittings also, but I can't seem to find the crimping tools. I'm looking for a good source for crimping tools for the rubber hoses and flairing tool for the steel, which I think should be standard flair. Anyone doing the same thing? What are you using and where did you get it? Thanks

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Brian

12-07-2003 07:33:58




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 Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-04-2003 12:00:00  
I use steel braid , high pressure hose , with threaded Aero-Quip fittings. All you need to assemble is normal combination (open & box end) wrenches. These are available in Canada , therefore they must be on the market in th U.S.A. (No crimping Required) Brian



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Jim J

12-05-2003 07:14:58




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 Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-04-2003 12:00:00  
Ditto Hydraulics from Lyman NE have a kit for the do it yourselfer.



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MapleStone

12-05-2003 06:38:31




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 Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-04-2003 12:00:00  
Ok I don't know where it ever came from but at the one place I worked they had a hose criper that used a large threaded rod with fine theads and racheting nut to tighten down on the crimp dies. It worked ok but was slow. Looked quite old though.

The other option is a hand pump hydraulic unit but I bet they would still be expenseive.

I'd probably try the manual ends like Rod(NH) suggested, they work ok you just have to be cautious when you put them on.

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Bob

12-04-2003 18:28:15




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 Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-04-2003 12:00:00  
Richard, prefabricated hoses of various lengths and sizes are readily available with all the fittings you need at any good farm supply store at very reasonable cost. Unless you just want to go through the aggravation of doing this keep it simple and inexpensive by buying them. If you feel the need to hard pipe they also have npt to tube fittings...Good luck anyway..... ...



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Al m

12-04-2003 15:12:23




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 Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-04-2003 12:00:00  
You can use black iron pipe and npt fittings.It is common in older loaders and all you need is a die and a hacksaw.You can also get the field service or crimp fittings in npt.
Al



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TimV

12-04-2003 14:21:47




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 Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-04-2003 12:00:00  
Richard: One other thing to be careful about: I have several friends in the trucking and construction business who have tried this route and failed. None of them could get the cheapie (read: Harbor Freight or comparable) hand crimpers to consistently form a leak-free joint. This is especially true with modern hydraulics that often develop 3000-5000 PSI. Perhaps the hand-crimped hoses would work on old low-pressure hydraulics, but from what I've seen they don't hold up well with newer stuff. Just an observation--your mileage may vary.

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Richard Fazio

12-04-2003 16:29:43




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 Re: Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to TimV, 12-04-2003 14:21:47  
Thanks for the info Tim. I'm using this on an old tractor which I think the max pressure is 800 or 900 pounds. So I'm hoping I'll be ok. I agree I wouldn't do my own lines on a modern machine with a few thousand pounds of pressure.



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TimV

12-04-2003 17:37:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-04-2003 16:29:43  
Richard: I'd be interested to see how you make out, as I've got a bunch of old junk, errrr....I mean valuable vintage machinery around here myself with low-pressure systems, and I'd like to replace some of the hoses. While my local NAPA is pretty good at making up hoses when I need them, I'm almost ashamed to take some of the cobbled up messes I've got (most of which were like that when I bought them) in to them to get replacements. I just got a Struck mini-dozer about a week ago, and it has the hydraulic system piped up with COPPER! I'm sure it's VERY low pressure--it only has to lift a 50-pound blade about 8 inches--but it probably ought to be replaced with something better than that.

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Richard Fazio

12-05-2003 05:38:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to TimV, 12-04-2003 17:37:05  
Tim, I'll keep you posted. It may take me a while but probably in the spring I'll get the thing going. I just got myself a Farmall M that has a live hydraulic pump hooked to nothing. Before I go crazy hooking up remotes for my implements I'll need to make sure the pump is servicable. I want to have a three point and two remotes. One two way and one single line. I Also need to learn a little more about the hydraulics so I can hook it all up correctly. If you want you can send me your email and I'll send pictures when I've got it going.

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Rod (NH)

12-04-2003 12:54:03




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 Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-04-2003 12:00:00  
Hi Richard,

If you are talking standard SAE two-wire hydraulic hose, I use field-replaceable fittings. You don't need a crimping unit. Just a vise and a wrench. The fittings are more expensive than the crimp on style but you can make up your own exact lengths in the field from bulk hose without an expensive crimping unit. Unless you do an awfull lot, I would not think an electro-hydraulic crimper would be cost effective. Weatherhead and Aeroquip are the big manufacturers of such stuff. Weatherhead is available through NAPA.

The steel (for high pressure hydraulics) should be a standard 37 degree flare. Not the 45 deg flare you see on copper tubing or the double steel flare you see on brake lines. Flaring tools are also available from either the above manufacturers. Check with your local NAPA store about prices.

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Richard Fazio

12-04-2003 16:27:16




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 Re: Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to Rod (NH), 12-04-2003 12:54:03  
I have an aircraft rolo-flair flaring tool that does the 37 degree flare. It does up to 3/4" which is perfect. What type of steel tubing do I use? I was using the tool for Aluminum fuel line.



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Rod (NH)

12-04-2003 17:30:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Making My Own Hydraulic Hoses in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-04-2003 16:27:16  
If I were doing it with tubing I would use seamless SAE1010 carbon steel. The 1/2" OD size should have a wall thickness of at least 0.042". The 3/4" OD size should have a wall thickness of at least 0.058". This would give you a safe (4:1) working pressure of 2000 psig for both sizes for the tubing itself.

I don't know if you can get this stuff through NAPA or even if you can purchase it in relatively small quantities. You could try a mobile hydraulics supplier.

However, Al had a good suggestion to use steel pipe (threaded). Standard weight (schedule 40) steel pipe is readily available in small quantities and both 1/2" and 3/4" IPS sizes have safe working pressures in excess of 2000 psig. That's what I use on my '51 Oliver and I run 1500 psig hydraulics on it. I would not use cast iron pipe fittings that you buy in the hardware store though, even if they are rated for your pressure. They do not have the shock resistance that steel fittings do. Use steel pipe fittings intended for high pressure hydraulic systems - again, made by Weatherhead and available from NAPA.

Rod

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