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YEA! more welding questions

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Dunno

07-27-2000 08:08:12




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welp; read all kindsa stuff here about welding and now it's my turn to enter the foray.
I am just now learning to weld (friend is teaching me) and I am now at the point where I would like to get some equipment for myself. Any recommendations from any one? make, model? wire feed? gas/gasless?

for the most part I am clueless about this stuff but am learning and having great fun at it. (will take a class or two at community college this winter). I will probably so some small repairs on tractors, build some BBQ stuff etc. so I think I can stick with small welders at this point. someday if I decide to weld up a barge or something, then I can buy a bigger welder.
also can't get anything super expensive as that would cut too much into toy budget :-)
thanks.
paul...

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Scott Green

07-28-2000 03:08:38




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 Re: YEA! more welding questions in reply to Dunno, 07-27-2000 08:08:12  
In a stick welder , A 225 lincoln (AC/DC) is a nice little welder. That is what I have. I can weld heavy steal , sheet metal , and anything inbetween. If your doing mostly small items and sheet metal , a mig machine might be what you want. Myself , I like the challenge of a stick welder. My brother has a mig.



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Dunno

07-28-2000 05:50:48




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 Re: Re: YEA! more welding questions in reply to Scott Green, 07-28-2000 03:08:38  
stopped by the airgas people yesterday.. they carry Licoln and Miller. the guy said he could put me in a nice stick welder for about $300. Might go that route altho most people have told me that MIG is a little easier for a beginner.

Took a look at Licoln 125 and 175. I think that the 175 (at $700+) is too expensive for the budget now.. even tho the smaller one is over $500.



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clickent

07-27-2000 13:38:58




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 Re: YEA! more welding questions in reply to Dunno, 07-27-2000 08:08:12  
Part of your decision is what kind of power you have to run your welder. There are some nice inexpensive welders out there that require 220v. If you have 220 in your garage on a 50 amp breaker then look at one of those. I'm sure there are alot of hobby welder's that say a 100v welder is fine for starters but they are really limited in their capabilities.

Another idea is to check out one of the small engine driven welders that all the manufactuers are making now. I saw one on ebay the other day and this thing is pretty nice. It is small enough to pick up and put in your truck, makes about 150 amps and produces 3.5 kW of aux power. I think it was made by Hobart. Good luck

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Dunno

07-28-2000 05:54:11




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 Re: Re: YEA! more welding questions in reply to clickent, 07-27-2000 13:38:58  
well, I only have 110 20amp in the garage, but I have an un-used 220 in the basement and could move it to the garage. will also have a workshop/barn someday and will have 220 so thats not a prob.

I wouldnt have a problem limiting myself on the weld for now since I am a newbie. If someday I decide that I need a bigger unit (after I learned to weld properly) then I could trade-up to a bigger unit.
been searching ebay and yahoo and I think that for what they usually close the auctions at, I would rather spend the $100 extra and get a brand new machine from a reputable dealer. that way I can go and pester him and ask questions when I have problems.

thanks...

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Joe K

07-28-2000 11:05:00




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 Re: Re: Re: YEA! more welding questions in reply to Dunno, 07-28-2000 05:54:11  
I am relatively new to welding myself,but friend who is welder has one for portability pointed me to the Hobart Handler 120(110V/220V)Mig Wirefeed.I use mine on 110 w/o gas at present and have been very satisfied with it for the type of lite work I do.
Unit comes set up for 110 and gas,but all you have to do to use it gasless is switch the polarity wires(2)and type of welding wire.It can also be run on 220 with optional cord.It can be carried in one hand like a heavy toolbox which makes it great for portability.Hobarts also hold their value well for resale/tradeup down the line.

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Dunno

07-28-2000 11:38:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: YEA! more welding questions in reply to Joe K, 07-28-2000 11:05:00  
Thanks. will take a look... might have a lead on a used Lincoln AC 225, but one never knows



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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-28-2000 07:01:45




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 Re: Re: Re: YEA! more welding questions in reply to Dunno, 07-28-2000 05:54:11  
Hello Dunno,
When I have someone approach me about buying a welder I like to point out the plus side of each process.

Stick welding plus's: Better for welding outside, consumables sold in smaller lots, way fewer parts to replace/maintain, easier access to elevated or close fit applications, cheaper to buy in relation to output, no shielding gas requirements, better for welding contaminated metals, etc.

GMAW plus's: Less skill required in regard to eye/hand coordination, welds thin sections very well, easier to operate out of postion on steels, consumables nearly twice as efficient as SMAW, capable of a variety of arc modes, etc.

If you buy a wire welder, look for one that has these features which are standard on the "big three". Built-in remote contactor, thermal over load protection, built-in gas solenoid, steel drive wheels, minimum 10' gun cable, fan on demand, polarity selection, voltage setting.

Keep in mind that 130 amp wire welders will weld up to about 3/8" steel. Also know the parameters for the wire you will use to obtain maximum weld performance. Be aware that different metals require different shielding gases and sometimes different drive roll designs. Wire is also sold on spools of predetermined weight. You can't just buy a small amount of cast iron for that little government project.
HTH
Steve

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Dunno

07-28-2000 08:33:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: YEA! more welding questions in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 07-28-2000 07:01:45  
Thanks Steve. helps a lot.. but then again still very little.. still dont know which route to take. friend has a stick and that is what I am learning.. I can get a stick welder for about 300 while entry-level wire feed is around 500 (either Licoln or miller, both include regulators).

I think what I need to do next is kinda figure out what I am going to do with it.. that might help make the decision. I think to start it will (out of necessity) be just light stuff. but sure someday I would like to make a carry-all box for the back of my tractor (ya know put it on the 3 pt. throw the chainsaw in it and go get some firewood outta the forrest). but I think that will be sometime in the future since my skill level is so low. hmmm. what to do what to do...

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Rod

07-27-2000 22:26:57




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 Re: Re: YEA! more welding questions in reply to clickent, 07-27-2000 13:38:58  
If you look on Ebay, do lots of surfing. You can get the same welder that is being auctioned for less money direct from welder suppliers.



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