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Chippers, a little more discussion please . . .

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scott

11-30-2003 21:31:50




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As I am also in the market to purchase a chipper/shredder. Viewing the comments about chippers below, seems the consensus is to not purchase but rent. I will agree that renting maybe the best method cost-wise but may not be the most practical. I also agree with HJP in that it would be nice to do the work when I wanted to (or had time to do) and it many not be feasible to run to the rental place (for me, that's 45 min away) and then it may just have to sit there idle on the chance that I get called into work.
Many have stated that the non-commercial chippers available from sellers such as DR, TROYBUILT, and BearCat are not all that they claim to be---in what respect are they not? Would a PTO driven chipper (the DR) work better and would it work behind a farmall h?
I have set a budget at $2300.00 for a good chipper, can a good chipper be realistically purchased for this price?

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HJP

12-04-2003 18:27:21




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 Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please . . in reply to scott, 11-30-2003 21:31:50  
DR just sent me a post card the 3pt chipper is going for $1499 for (reconditioned)



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Mike

12-01-2003 18:12:47




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 Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please . . in reply to scott, 11-30-2003 21:31:50  
check this site. Its a little bit of overkill,not everyone needs a 1000 HP chipper. We just bought one where I work only $845,000 www.hogzilla.com



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Robert in W. Mi

12-01-2003 15:48:10




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 Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please . . in reply to scott, 11-30-2003 21:31:50  
Here's the problem. Yes a 6" chipper will take 6" material, the problem is all the crooked limps and "Y"'s will be over 6", and you have to trim all the time. This gets OLD fast!!

Anything less than 6" really sucks!! Like i said in the other post, i had a hydraulic power feed 6" capacity PTO chipper, and even it was too small, too slow!!!

I'm of the opinion anything less than 10 or 12" isn't worth owning!!! This means looking for a bigger old used chipper.

Keep in mind, these things need maintance too. You have to keep the knives sharp, and ajusted!!! Dead limbs really dull the knives fast.

I STILL like the brush pile idea, and those tree's in the woods will still need the dead stuff for future food!!

Robert

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Fawteen

12-01-2003 15:52:31




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 Re: Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 12-01-2003 15:48:10  
If you're cutting your own brush, ya damn soon learn to trim it up properly so that's not a problem!



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Robert in W. Mi

12-01-2003 19:08:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Chippers, a little more discussion ple in reply to Fawteen, 12-01-2003 15:52:31  
That's the point, someone HAS to do it!!! Robert



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Fawteen - Yes

12-02-2003 04:53:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Chippers, a little more discussion in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 12-01-2003 19:08:17  
But you have to limb up the trees to begin with, it doesn't take any longer to do it with chipping in mind than it does otherwise.

I'm not arguing that a "whole tree" chipper isn't faster, I'm saying that with a little forethought, the smaller chippers will do a nice job and don't cost as much as a new truck.

I live in a heavily forested area, with a lot of slash on the ground from tree harvesting, AND I'm a volunteer firefighter. I've spent WAY too much time traipsing around in the woods carrying a back tank or dragging a hose. I'd way rather spend a couple of days chipping a brush pile than putting out the wildfire that got started by someone burning a brush pile.

Chips can be used for a number of things, burning just creates fire hazards and pollution.

JMHO, of course.

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HJP

12-01-2003 15:47:08




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 Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please . . in reply to scott, 11-30-2003 21:31:50  
when i bought my dr,i did not own a tractor.
Now I own a 30hp jd 790, now a larger pto chipper is an option. Yeah chipping is work but 5 acres doesnt require a 200 hp one either.
I believe my last "country homes" "DR" catolog did put the pto driven chipper at $1700 and is rated at 40hp, but pto chippers are a whole new ball game altogether,power feed,larger cap, ect.
I belong to another chat site "TRACTORPOINT" and the threads on pto chippers is extensive and my even find a used unit on there classifieds in your area.

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HJP

12-01-2003 16:40:30




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 Re: Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please in reply to HJP, 12-01-2003 15:47:08  
I AM SORRY TO KEEP ADDING POSTS HOWEVER ALOT OF INFO IS BETTER THAN NONE.
DR DOES HAVE "RETURNS" WITH THEIR WARRANTY POLICY(CANT PLEASE EVERYONE) AND YOU MIGHT GET A GOOD DEAL DUE TO THE SEASON/THEY ARE SELLING SNOWBLOWERS NOW. GIVE THEM A CALL.



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HJP

12-01-2003 16:27:08




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 Re: Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please in reply to HJP, 12-01-2003 15:47:08  
MY DR WILL TAKE THE 4 1/2 INCH AND DEVOUR OAK,ELM ,WALNUT,BEECH. THEY HAVE A MONEY BACK POLICY AND BELIEVE ME, IF I WAS NOT SATISFIED ON THE FIRST DAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PUT BACK IN THE CREAT AND SENT BACK.
THE WORST YOU COULD DO IS BUY IT ON THERE 30 DAY TRIAL.



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TimV

12-01-2003 12:28:04




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 Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please . . in reply to scott, 11-30-2003 21:31:50  
Scott: The big item here is exactly what do you plan to do with your chipper? I have an older IH chipper with a 5 hp Briggs. It's fine for small branches (1" or less) and great for blackberry briars and such. However, that's the upper limit of its capacity, and anything bigger than this will plug the chipper, burn the belt, or stall the engine. By contrast, my folks have a 6" capacity PTO run (with hydraulic feed and overhead chip chute) setup they run with their 60 HP John Deere. This is DEFINITELY the way to go, but they're pretty spendy--around double your budget for an entry-level machine. The comment about the smaller chippers not being all that the advertisements say is mainly directed at "real world" versus theoretical capacities. Yes, they might take a 2" (or 3" or 4" or whatever) branch, but only if it's straight, with no side branches, and soft wood. In the real world, branches aren't always like that, and you'll find you can cut the "rated capacity" about in half, both size-wise and volume-wise, and you'll be pretty close to accurate. If that's too small for you (and if you've got any amount of chipping to do it will be..... ) bite the bullet and rent one first before you spend a lot of money on something that isn't everything you need.

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Barry

12-01-2003 10:46:28




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 Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please . . in reply to scott, 11-30-2003 21:31:50  
I picked up a 1960's Lindig commercial grade chipper for $800.It's powered by a 330 V8 Ford industrial eng. 16". Old decrepit & ugly but it eats anything I can lift into the input.

Initially purchased to devour a 60' evergreen on a city lot. I contracted out the take down so if it crushed neighbors house the contractor's insurance would take the first hit + he had a 60' bucket truck.

You will meet your neighbors as they will drag their branches & brush over to mulch & some chip in for dumping fees. I had 3 trips of 4 yard dump loads of mulch. $20 each load that the neighbors cash contributions paid. I have a 4 yard dump truck to blow the chips into.

Only caveat is physical labor. The contractors hire high school kids to run around & do clean up.

The main advantage of this machine on farm is size... is no labor limbing - trimming: 20' saplings including branches disappear in one bite, a whole pine tree with 6" trunk gone!! Dry hardwoods make a racket but disappear as well. About the only thing that cleans up faster is a dozer.

It does weigh 3-4000 lbs so will sink in soft soil & is a challenge for 1/2 ton chevy in mud

In MN no trailer license needed for this forestry item!! I did wire up trailer lights

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Philip

12-01-2003 04:03:54




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 Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please . . in reply to scott, 11-30-2003 21:31:50  
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Scott, Here is a picture and a post I listed about a year ago. Contact me directly if you need more information. Also, I preffer a chipper that does not discharge on the ground, but from an ariel discharge chute so you may direct the debriss where you want it. Philip.

I finally got to use my PTO chipper this weekend. I had a work day at my house on saturday, 5 guys showed up to trim limbs and cut trees. I ran the 8N for 6 straight hours with the chipper. The chipper is a Bearcat model with 5" capacity. The 8N and the chipper worked well together. It amazes me that my tractor, designed in 1938, can uses use implements purchased in 2002. What a great design by Harry F. The chipper has a 120 pound flywheel, lots of inertia, does not take much power to turn. When you put in a 5" branch, the rpm's drop, the governor kicks the throttle plate open, the engine starts poppin, and the rpm's come back up, just like it is suppose to work. Neat to stand back and see. The chipper is a nice tool, but it will work you to death. Philip.

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KURT (mi)

12-01-2003 02:37:12




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 Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please . . in reply to scott, 11-30-2003 21:31:50  
First I will say that my neighbor used to own and run a tree removal business for years. I have seen a couple of large chippers that make the small DR's and troybilts look like toys, I am not kidding with that comment. My neighbor still owns a large 200HP diesel chipper made by Brush Bandit. This chipper will eat a 12" tree, 40ft long in about 2 minutes. What the real issue comes down to is time. Do you want to spend hours and days to run a small 18HP chipper (hand fed too) or go and rent a large machine for 200/day and get it all done in a weekend, or take your time and it will take months. My neighbor rents out his chipper for $250/day. If you are going to buy a chipper I would buy the 18HP DR chipper. I have the video of the three models of chippers that they sell, the 10 and 12 HP ones are too small. One last comment I will make if you burn firewood then 3" branches can be used for firewood, or if you had a large a chipper then a 3" diameter branch can be eaten up easily by a large chipper.

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Fawteen

12-01-2003 02:24:30




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 Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please . . in reply to scott, 11-30-2003 21:31:50  
If you have decided to purchase rather than rent, AND you have a tractor with a three point hitch, then PTO is the ONLY way to go. You don't have an extra engine to maintain. You can move the chipper easier as it is self-propelled, and you're much less likely to get stuck in soft ground. You spend less for the chipper. The feed chute height is adjustable by raising/lowering the hitch. There is no belt drive to slip or wear out.

I work as a mechanic at a rental place, and have access to engine driven chippers from 4" to 15" capacity, with anything from 2 cylinder Kohler gas engines to 6 cylinder John Deere diesels. When I need to chip (rarely now that my land is all cleared) I hook up my 3PH-mounted PATU to my John Deere compact diesel and go to work.

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Slowpoke

11-30-2003 22:35:36




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 Re: Chippers, a little more discussion please . . in reply to scott, 11-30-2003 21:31:50  
You can probably get a decent used commercial chipper of 30+ hp for that money. Towable, auto feed and it will blow the chips 25 feet or into your truck bed.
You will not be able to keep up with it by yourself. For one man or two, I'd look for something around 25hp, $1500-2000.
Check with rental yards to see if they are replacing any of their rental units with new. They can get replacement parts if needed, too.

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