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Joe

11-26-2003 13:01:01




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Hi, I took an old drill press out of one of our buildings today, Because the building is about to go down. Anyways I was wondering if anyone could help me learn about it. It is a hand cranked press made of cast and steel. It has written on it, Champion Blower and Forged Co, Lancaster PA. My father is 57 years old and grew up on the same farm and says it was there long before him. Anyhow I was wondering if anyone could tell me about how old it would be and if its worth anything. Not that I would ever sell it, Im sure it was my great grandfathers. It also has 101 on the other side. I tryed to find info on the internet but was unsuccessful. Sorry I dont have a way to show a picture. Thanks for any help.

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Bret

11-30-2003 07:00:57




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 Re: Old drill press in reply to Joe, 11-26-2003 13:01:01  
Got one just like it. Don't get rid of it. Find a used Jacobs chuck to fit it, the bigger the beter, and use it when you need to make BIG HOLES in stuff. Arm gets tired but better than having that 1/2" drill motor over worked or break something.



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Fred OH

11-27-2003 05:13:35




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 Re: Old drill press in reply to Joe, 11-26-2003 13:01:01  
Also the shanks have a flat on them to accomodate the chuck set screw. These were known as Silver & Demings shanked drills. They probably aren't available today but in a pinch...you could grind a flat on any 1/2" shanked drill.
The one I have is a number 0 1/2 Canedy Otto and is strickly hand feed and is just like new. I salvaged it years ago along with a set of new S&D drills (1/8 to 1/2"). Painted it and hung it in the back room of the shop...just because it was old and deserved a better ending. I know where there is a fancy one for sale...or was. Fred OH

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Joe

11-27-2003 09:04:06




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 Re: Re: Old drill press in reply to Fred OH, 11-27-2003 05:13:35  
Thanks for replying all. The reason Im trying to find out how old it is is so I can determin if it belonged to my grandfather or my great grandfather. Our farm has been in our family name for over 130 years so im sure it was purchased by one of my fore fathers. There is no belt pully on it just a flywheel. It also is stuck, but im gonna try to free it up and restore it.Its amazing how they thought of building up a tool like that and worked so well and last so long.Us young guys like me dont realize how good we got it when we plug in our drills and drill a hole and not have a sore arm from cranking afterwards.

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John Ne.

11-27-2003 09:50:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Old drill press in reply to Joe, 11-27-2003 09:04:06  
There are a bunch of these drills on Ebay always. They're still handy, but value depends a lot on the condition, and how worn the main shaft bearings are, grab the chuck area and try to wiggle it side to side. So many of them were partially dismantled and motorized, the problem here is they used plain sleeve bearings and the speed of the motor just plain wore them out ahead of time. Now on eBay, prices have a lot to do with shipping, as you now know, these things are heavy. I bought one complete and in good condition for 15.00 recently, but seen really nice ones go for $120.00 or so. Anything hand or manual turns a lot of guys cold, but if you're into handwork, it seems to fit in your world much better. John in Nebr.

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DaveInMI

11-27-2003 02:54:11




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 Re: Old drill press in reply to Joe, 11-26-2003 13:01:01  
You can find some pictures in the picture index at oldwwmachinesDOTcom. There's a little company history there too.



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wdTom

11-26-2003 18:24:37




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 Re: Old drill press in reply to Joe, 11-26-2003 13:01:01  
I have one, same I think. Was given to me a few years ago. It is missing the flywheel/crank, but it has a 10 or 11" V belt pully in place. Anyway I took it completely apart and cleaned/lubed everything, painted it. Mounted it to the side of a 5 or 6" chanel, U bolted that to a column in my basement. Mounted a jackshaft on the back side and a 1/3 hp motor (just because I had it)under that. It has two speeds with the different size pullys I have on the motor and jackshaft. Slow is about 60 rpm and fast maybe 100. I wanted to approximate hand cranking, and have slow speeds for larger dirlls. I have only just spent the time to do this last with belting it up, and the only large hole I have done is to drill a 15/16" hole in the half inch plate table I made for it. Went right through with a 1/4" pilot using max. feed, (3 clicks of the ratchet). The half nut inside the feed mechanism at the top is the neatest thing. I don't remember how it works, but that is what I thought when I had it apart. It has a #3 morse taper in the spindle, got to collect some morse taper dirlls now, although it works fine with the chuck I have in it. Don't ever let one of these machines get away. You can get a drill press for not too much, but for a little work these are great slow, large drill drill preses. Use your other one for pilot holes and less than half or 5/8" holes, and the column one for the big stuff. It is so neat watching it go!!! I think mine is missing what may be a two speed gear on the right side too, there is a shaft or two that look like a gear or two or three is missing.

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Mac

11-26-2003 15:10:49




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 Re: Old drill press in reply to Joe, 11-26-2003 13:01:01  
A post drill. Do a google search on "Old champion drill press" and you will find some reading material. Also go here for a picture of the 101.
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Copy and paste this to your Ad bar. Hope this heps ya.



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Jet9N

11-26-2003 15:01:43




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 Re: Old drill press in reply to Joe, 11-26-2003 13:01:01  
I'm guessing what you have is what was known in
my circles as a "post drill". We had one which
had a ratchet on the top operated by a cam on the
flywheel that the crank was attached to. This put pressure on the spindle for "automatic feed".
Also, the one we had a 1/2" "chuck" that held the
bits with a set screw. (Like a shaft coupling).
All the bits had 1/2" shanks. I bolted a pulley
to the flywheel with U-bolts and mounted a 1/4
HP motor above it to "modernize" it. (Don't forget
to take the crank off). This all happened like
45 years ago.

HTH

Jet

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